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Suspect arrested in JonBenet Ramsey case



By CATHERINE TSAI, Associated Press Writer 20 minutes ago



A former schoolteacher was arrested Wednesday in Thailand in the slaying of 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey — a surprise breakthrough in a lurid, decade-old murder case some feared would never be solved.


Federal officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, identified the suspect as John Mark Karr, a 42-year-old American, and one law enforcement official told The Associated Press that Boulder police had tracked him down online.


The Ramsey family's attorney in Atlanta pronounced the arrest vindication for JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, who had long been under suspicion in the slaying.


"John and Patsy lived their lives knowing they were innocent, trying to raise a son despite the furor around them," Wood said. "The story of this family is a story of courage, and story of an American injustice and tragedy that ultimately people will have to look back on and hopefully learn from."


The attorney said the Ramseys learned about the suspect a least a month before Patsy Ramsey's death on June 24 after a battle with ovarian cancer. "It's been a very long 10 years, and I'm just sorry Patsy isn't here for me to hug her neck," Wood said.


Karr was a teacher who once lived in Conyers, Ga., according to Wood. The attorney said the Ramseys gave police information about Karr before he was identified as a suspect in their daughter's slaying.


Wood would not say how the Ramseys knew Karr. But JonBenet was born in Atlanta in 1990, and the Ramseys lived in the Atlanta suburb of Dunwoody for several years before moving to Colorado in 1991.


Wood said Karr confessed to elements of the crime. A law enforcement source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the AP that Karr had been communicating periodically with somebody in Boulder who had been following the case and cooperating with law enforcement officials.


District Attorney Mary Lacy said the arrest followed several months of work, but she she said no further details would be released until Thursday.


Authorities said Karr was being held in Bangkok on unrelated sex charges. CBS reported he will be brought back to the United States this weekend.


JonBenet was found beaten and strangled in the basement of the family's home in Boulder on Dec. 26, 1996. Patsy Ramsey reported finding a ransom note demanding $118,000 for her daughter.


The image of blonde-haired little JonBenet in a cowgirl costume and other beauty pageant outfits has haunted TV talk shows ever since, helping feed myriad theories about her killer, and the case became one of the most sensational unsolved murder cases in the nation.


Investigators said at one point that JonBenet's parents were under an "umbrella of suspicion" in the slaying. And some news accounts cast suspicion on JonBenet's older brother. But the Ramseys insisted an intruder killed their daughter, and no one was ever charged.


In the months after the slaying, Patsy Ramsey went before the cameras, vigorously defending herself and her husband, chastising the media and blasting local law enforcement as incompetent.


Over the years, some experts suggested that investigators had botched the case so thoroughly that it might never be solved.


In a statement Wednesday, John Ramsey said: "Patsy was aware that authorities were close to making an arrest in the case and had she lived to see this day, would no doubt have been as pleased as I am with today's development almost 10 years after our daughter's murder."


The Ramseys moved back to Atlanta after their daughter's slaying.


Wood lashed out at the frenzy that long surrounded the case, and he accused the media of "the most obscene false accusations." "I think the public's mind was so poisoned against this family that no one was able for too many years to look at the evidence," he said.

Patsy Ramsey's sister, Pam Paugh, of Roswell, Ga., said the family was celebrating the news of the arrest. "We are elated. We are elated. If this is, in fact, the killer, then we have a very heinous killer off the streets to never harm another child," Paugh said.

Lib Waters of Marietta, Ga., visited the gravesites of Patsy and JonBenet Ramsey in the Atlanta suburb immediately after hearing news reports about the arrest.

Waters, who described herself as a longtime friend of the Ramsey family, taped a piece of notebook paper to JonBenet Ramsey's headstone that read: "Dearest Patsy, Justice has come for you and Jon. Rest in peace."

In 2003, a federal judge in Atlanta concluded that the evidence she reviewed suggested an intruder killed JonBenet. That opinion came with the judge's decision to dismiss a libel and slander lawsuit against the Ramseys by a freelance journalist, whom the Ramseys had named as a suspect in their daughter's murder. The Boulder district attorney at the time said she agreed with the judge's declaration.

"Today is additional vindication of the family," Wood said.

Wood said he and the Ramseys "have been totally amazed and impressed with the professionalism of law enforcement" under Lacy's direction. Lacy became district attorney in 2001.

Author Lawrence Schiller, who wrote the 1999 book, "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town" about the case, said Wednesday he understood the man had been on a list of sexual offenders who were suspects for a long time.

"There are a lot of facts about her actual death that the public does not know." Schiller said. "If he did confess to some facts of the murder, to reveal those facts of the case, that would finish the puzzle."

Among the facts he said were not generally known was the murder weapon and what the killer did with it.

Bob Grant, a former Adams County district attorney who worked on the case, said there was never enough evidence to convince him that any potential suspect could be successfully prosecuted.

"I wasn't convinced it was an inside job, nor was I convinced it was an outside job," he said. "All the outside suspects were cleared after exhaustive investigation, and there were a whole lot of outside suspects."

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Associated Press Writers Suzanne Gamboa and Lara Jakes Jordan in Washington contributed to this report.



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I hope they have found the sicko that did that to that poor little girl. Better late than never.

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Authorities said Karr was being held in Bangkok on unrelated sex charges.



Ahem, is this perchance the most telling piece of the whole article? Bangkok? Sex Charges? Come on, seriously?

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I saw this earlier and I was so surprised.  I had kind of given up on this one.  I'm interested to hear more about how the case was solved (assuming it has been) as the story unfolds.

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The guy confessed, saying it was a kidnapping gone wrong:


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14379566/



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I'll be curious to see where this goes, because it still sounds really fishy to me.  How did he know the family or JonBenet?  I don't get it.  And how did he kill her on accident?  I also read that he said he drugged her, while her autopsy showed no drugs in her system.

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The entire thing is a bit odd. The guy who confessed, his ex wife relased a statement saying he couldnt have done the murder because he was with her in arkansas at the time.

I know they say the ramseys are innocent - but I am having a hard time believing it. There was so much strage evidance against them. (like the ransom note written in her mothers handwritting , confirmed by 6 handwriting anyalists ...)

I am looking forward to hearing more details on this one ....

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I have a bad feeling about this man's "confession" as well.  I have a feeling in my gut that he's not involved, that he's just some sicko obsessed with her case.  I hope I'm wrong so the family can get some closure (if they're not involved), but I just don't buy it 100%. 

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I watched Anderson Cooper on CNN last night.  They had a panel of experts -- a legal analyst, investigators, author who had a written book on the murder, and even a guy who was supposedly an expert on false confessions, etc.  I wouldn't say there was a general consensus opinion -- whether he is telling the truth and really did murder her or if he is just a wacko trying to be connected to such a high profile case.  The legal analyst thinks that there is obviously some very incriminating evidence that has not yet  been made public and that we shouldn't acquit or convict him just yet.  He does not believe that a warrant would have been issued based solely on the Karr's confession or the suspicious emails sent to that professor.  I tend to agree with him.  Also, the autopsy report, Karr's "admissions" about the crime -- that he picked her up from school (hello, it happened the day after Christmas), that he had relations with her (no evidence of that).  Also, they had records proving that he was substitute teaching in Alabama (where he resided with his wife in 1996) up until December 18, and then he returned the first week of January after the break was over.  So, although technically there is probability that he could have driven or flown to CO in that time period, it is highly unlikely that he was not with his family on Christmas, as his wife does not ever recall him ever being away from their family.  Additionally, they could  not find any proof that Karr and/or his family ever resided in Georgia, even though he claims that he lived near the Ramseys when JonBenet was a baby.  All of these factors poke major holes in his alleged confession, and it's as one expert says, if his wife produces a photograph of him with his family on Christmas day in 1996, this whole thing is over.


His wife/ex-wife's (I can't remember if they are divorced or not) attorney also mentioned his obsession with not only the JonBenet murder, but also the murder of Polly Klaas.  He even moved his family to Petaluma, CA where she had lived.  If you are not familiar with the story, Polly Klaas was a 13-year-old girl who was taken out of her home while her family slept (and I also believe she was having a slumber party) and sexually assaulted and murdered. This happened in early 90s, I believe.


I think he maybe just be a whack job who is disturbingly obsessed with murders of little girls and children in general, and just wanted to get out of Thailand bec. he knows that being in jail there is not a picnic.  What better way to do that than to confess to a high profile murder that has left many people, including law enforcement officials, baffled for a decade.



-- Edited by Misty at 10:50, 2006-08-18

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Misty- OMG, crazy. That totally makes me more suspicious. I just have a hard time believing the entire thing. Plus the polly klaus thing- thats nuts!

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unfortunately, i don't think karr killed her.  i hate these cases where you never know what really happened...

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I was somewhat obsessed with this case when it happened. I watched all the news reports and read the book "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town" written by one of the investigators who quit the case b/c it was so botched (primarily b/c o fthe former DA.) I don't think this guy did it, but i do believe that an intruder killed her. There was so much evidence to support that theory and the cops/DA focused all their efforts on the parents and even her 10 y.o. brother. Never followed-up the broken glass on the basement window, the footprints in the snow or the cobwebs that had recently been swept off the basement window. Sounds to me like that alone is at least worth investigating....

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I have to agree I think this is just some sicko that wants attention.  His resume/background is very scary though.  All the interaction he's had with little girls.  Who knows how many he has molested.

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Well, he seems to have distinct details of the murder scene and the girl's body that no one would know. If he didn't kill her, how would he know those things? I guess the only way to find out for sure is trough the DNA testing so we shall see. I think he had something to with it, at least.


I think that it is possible that since he was bout to go to jail in Asia, he confessed to the crime so he could get extradited back to the US. Hell, I rather go to jail as a pedaphile here that in a taiwanese (or wherever) prison.

I never thought the parents did it. A lot of people wanted to convict them simply because of the pageant thing. Yeah, it's a bit overdone, but I don't see them killing their daughter. I just never felt it. The sad thing is that Patsy Ramsey died convicted in public opinion. If she had noting to do with it, that is very sad. I mean, imagine that was you. Your child died and pretty miuch everybody on the planet beleives it was you and no matter how much you protest, the opinions are the same. Ugh! I get sick just thinking of it.

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I have to agree with Irene. I had a chance to watch some in-depth news coverage over the weekend and have changed my mind. I think he did it. I watch teh news with my grandfather who spent his career as a criminal investigator. He and I always talk through all the high-profile cases and he helps me see the little bits and facs that most people miss. So far, he has never been wrong in his predictions of the outcome. He says Karr did it. I'm inclined to believe it. Karr is now being questioned in the Morgan Nick case too. I kind of hope that he took her also - just so that her family can finally have closure.

On that point, Aurora - I think you make the scariest comment. How many other children have been molested by him? There are "allegations" of pedophilia by his ex-wife, but no convictions. He was fired from hi sjob in Petaluma for being to "affectionate" with the children. How many molestations might he have committed that went unreported??? Just a heads up - if you ever suspect a child you know is being molested - report it. You can do so without ever having to use your name by going to www.cybertipline.com - or better your local authorities. If someone had made a credible report about Karr way back when - might Jon Benet and others still be alive b/c this sicko would have been behind bars.

Anyway I will stay tuned. Looking forward to the outcome of this trial.

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There are "allegations" of pedophilia by his ex-wife



well, his most recent ex-wife was 16 when they got married...and his first ex-wife was 14 when they got married, so...


personally i think he's just a wack job who wishes he had been involved or has maybe talked himself into thinking he really did do it, but i don't think he did



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after reading everyones responses, im so confused i thought he did it at first, but now, all your theories....nothings making sense!

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personally i think he's just a wack job who wishes he had been involved or has maybe talked himself into thinking he really did do it, but i don't think he did



I agree.  I htink he's mentally ill and isn't doing it because of the publicity but because he probably really does think he killed her. 


As for him knowing details about the case that no one else knows--he was obsessed with the case for years and had done extensive research about the case, and the Polly Klaas case too.  So I think it's entirely possible that he knows things that he shouldn't know, but it's not because he killed her.


Right now on MSNBC they have a "handwriting" expert that's analyzing some of Jon Mark Kerr's handwriting compared to the handwriting on the ransom note.  He says he's 99% sure Kerr did it, but looking at it, the handwriting is nothing alike.  Not even close.  Weird.



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I agree.  I htink he's mentally ill and isn't doing it because of the publicity but because he probably really does think he killed her. 




I just hope that he doesn't get off on his charges (JonBenet's murder or the other charges against him) because he is mentally ill.

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I was in Boulder the weekend before this story broke.  DH's grandparents live right around the corner from the Ramsey's old house. 


What a tragic story.  That poor little girl.



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