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kenzie · Chanel

RE: Lost....

blubirde · Chanel

NCshopper wrote:

Hmm...interesting thoughts about the flashback theory. I have a question that no one has brought up yet though: what about the magnet? Remember after Jack got into the hatch and he was going to look at the painted wall and it looked like buckets of paint laying around? The key dangling around his neck started moving toward the wall. This to me was one of the most visually memorable scenes from the show and it's been something I've yet to figure out and haven't seen much discussion about it on other boards. Any ideas?

I was watching Lost *again* last night with a friend (3rd time) and he commented on the necklace/magnet thing also. When Jack first went into the hatch, my friend started talking about it being a nuclear fallout shelter. Also he kept mentioning how everything in the hatch/basement apartment looked very Cold War era. And then when the key moved on Jack's neck, he said it was definite proof of a fallout shelter because those had magnetic fields around them? I can neither confirm nor deny this theory because I know nothing about nuclear shelters. Any thoughts?

kenzie · Chanel

blubirde wrote:

I was watching Lost *again* last night with a friend (3rd time) and he commented on the necklace/magnet thing also. When Jack first went into the hatch, my friend started talking about it being a nuclear fallout shelter. Also he kept mentioning how everything in the hatch/basement apartment looked very Cold War era. And then when the key moved on Jack's neck, he said it was definite proof of a fallout shelter because those had magnetic fields around them? I can neither confirm nor deny this theory because I know nothing about nuclear shelters. Any thoughts?

Hehe...blubirde, I've watched the premier 3 times already. I'll probably watch it again tonight. I'm insane!!

Anyway, I think that the decor (if you will) in the hatch is very outdated (Cold War era sounds about right). I don't know anything about fallout shelters, but I just think it's strange that the key was magnetic b/c most keys aren't. And it was obvious that they key being drawn to the wall was significant since they did the close-up and the shot was prolonged.

On a slightly different note, which I find interesting, the writers/producers have said that everything in the show can be explained in a science-fact type of manner. (hooray for no sci-fi bs!!).

-- Edited by NylaBelle at 12:22, 2005-09-26

kenzie · Chanel

blubirde wrote:

Also he kept mentioning how everything in the hatch/basement apartment looked very Cold War era. And then when the key moved on Jack's neck, he said it was definite proof of a fallout shelter because those had magnetic fields around them? I can neither confirm nor deny this theory because I know nothing about nuclear shelters. Any thoughts?

I did some research on fallout shelters and I found that they protect from electromagnetic activity, but in order to build one, you don't need a magnetic field around it. I could be wrong, but I didn't find any information about fallout shelters and magnetic fields. Yes, I have too much time on my hands today. Actually, I'm just procrastinating. I do have work to do.

blubirde · Chanel

NylaBelle wrote:

but I just think it's strange that the key was magnetic b/c most keys aren't.

See, I didn't think the key was magnetic. I thought the wall was magnetic and it was drawing the metal key to it. But then, if that were the case, wouldn't the gun have been drawn to it too? Or was he too far away when he pulled the gun?

kenzie · Chanel

blubirde wrote:

NylaBelle wrote: but I just think it's strange that the key was magnetic b/c most keys aren't. See, I didn't think the key was magnetic. I thought the wall was magnetic and it was drawing the metal key to it. But then, if that were the case, wouldn't the gun have been drawn to it too? Or was he too far away when he pulled the gun?

Honestly, I think that whole scene is deliberately ambiguous. That's what I was trying to say the first time around (didn't quite come out correctly

). There is obviously some kind of magnetic source that affected the key, but I have no clue what it is and why it only affected the key and nothing else. So many other things should have been affected by a magnet that weren't. I love this show!

bumblebee · Coach

have you guys read "faust"?

i am starting to think that maybe each of the survivors could have made a desperate pact with some evil entity (in "faust" it's the devil, but here could be desmond) and that's what brought them to the island. desmond lives underground, you have to descend through the earth to get there, maybe significant.

in thinking about it: jack's patient "miraculously" heals when there's no way that could have happened, locke all of a sudden can walk instead of being in a wheelchair, walt's dad could have wished to have the obstacles removed so he could have walt back (i.e. ex-wife dies suddenly, stepfather gives him up), hurley could have wished for the hex of the numbers to be removed, jin's wish could have been to get out of the korean mafia, and on and on. they all have some terrible situation that the plane crash helped them escape.

also, and this is going way english dept. geek on you all, but what could be more "deus ex machina" than a plane falling out of the sky that solves everyone's worst problem? the ancient greeks used to lower a machine on pulleys onto the stage from above to symbolize that all the plot threads were being wrapped up.

also, i think that ultra-bright light that shone out of the hatch could have been what downed the plane--i don't remember if it was engine failure or what from the pilot, but that light could have blinded whomever was flying the plane and caused them to crash.

kenzie · Chanel

A bit of trivia from www.tv.com, which I found very interesting. Has anyone seen it with closed captioning and verify this?

"As Jack walks into the geodesic-dome bunker, with the 80s rock music blaring in the background, Kate yells out "Jack!". He can't hear her but the closed-captioning text shows that Kate yells out 3 times."

Side note: Was 'Make your Own Kind of Music' from the 70's or 80's??

-- Edited by NylaBelle at 15:58, 2005-09-26

ILoveChoo · Hermes

I watched it again last night and something else caught my attention- in the hatch there is a computer, lights, music, etc. meaning that there is some sort of power source. If I remember correctly, electricity can be generated with magnets, right? So maybe that has something to do with the key?

(if this makes no sense or is completely dumb, forgive me...I still haven't seen the second half of season one.)

halleybird · Hermes

I love this theory... it's brilliant!

bumblebee wrote:

have you guys read "faust"?
i am starting to think that maybe each of the survivors could have made a desperate pact with some evil entity (in "faust" it's the devil, but here could be desmond) and that's what brought them to the island. desmond lives underground, you have to descend through the earth to get there, maybe significant.
in thinking about it: jack's patient "miraculously" heals when there's no way that could have happened, locke all of a sudden can walk instead of being in a wheelchair, walt's dad could have wished to have the obstacles removed so he could have walt back (i.e. ex-wife dies suddenly, stepfather gives him up), hurley could have wished for the hex of the numbers to be removed, jin's wish could have been to get out of the korean mafia, and on and on. they all have some terrible situation that the plane crash helped them escape.
also, and this is going way english dept. geek on you all, but what could be more "deus ex machina" than a plane falling out of the sky that solves everyone's worst problem? the ancient greeks used to lower a machine on pulleys onto the stage from above to symbolize that all the plot threads were being wrapped up.
also, i think that ultra-bright light that shone out of the hatch could have been what downed the plane--i don't remember if it was engine failure or what from the pilot, but that light could have blinded whomever was flying the plane and caused them to crash.

mikacat · Coach

gotta agree with halleybird on this one, bumblebee, bRILLIANT!
kate wanting to be free again, the rocker off drugs, shannon to grow up

halleybird wrote:

I love this theory... it's brilliant!

bumblebee wrote:
have you guys read "faust"?
i am starting to think that maybe each of the survivors could have made a desperate pact with some evil entity (in "faust" it's the devil, but here could be desmond) and that's what brought them to the island. desmond lives underground, you have to descend through the earth to get there, maybe significant.
in thinking about it: jack's patient "miraculously" heals when there's no way that could have happened, locke all of a sudden can walk instead of being in a wheelchair, walt's dad could have wished to have the obstacles removed so he could have walt back (i.e. ex-wife dies suddenly, stepfather gives him up), hurley could have wished for the hex of the numbers to be removed, jin's wish could have been to get out of the korean mafia, and on and on. they all have some terrible situation that the plane crash helped them escape.
also, and this is going way english dept. geek on you all, but what could be more "deus ex machina" than a plane falling out of the sky that solves everyone's worst problem? the ancient greeks used to lower a machine on pulleys onto the stage from above to symbolize that all the plot threads were being wrapped up.
also, i think that ultra-bright light that shone out of the hatch could have been what downed the plane--i don't remember if it was engine failure or what from the pilot, but that light could have blinded whomever was flying the plane and caused them to crash.

kenzie · Chanel

bumblebee wrote:

have you guys read "faust"?
i am starting to think that maybe each of the survivors could have made a desperate pact with some evil entity (in "faust" it's the devil, but here could be desmond) and that's what brought them to the island. desmond lives underground, you have to descend through the earth to get there, maybe significant.
in thinking about it: jack's patient "miraculously" heals when there's no way that could have happened, locke all of a sudden can walk instead of being in a wheelchair, walt's dad could have wished to have the obstacles removed so he could have walt back (i.e. ex-wife dies suddenly, stepfather gives him up), hurley could have wished for the hex of the numbers to be removed, jin's wish could have been to get out of the korean mafia, and on and on. they all have some terrible situation that the plane crash helped them escape.
also, and this is going way english dept. geek on you all, but what could be more "deus ex machina" than a plane falling out of the sky that solves everyone's worst problem? the ancient greeks used to lower a machine on pulleys onto the stage from above to symbolize that all the plot threads were being wrapped up.
also, i think that ultra-bright light that shone out of the hatch could have been what downed the plane--i don't remember if it was engine failure or what from the pilot, but that light could have blinded whomever was flying the plane and caused them to crash.

I agree that all of the survivors have some sort of dark past or event that they want to forget/escape. Each survivor has some kind of secret.

Jack- he's had a bitter relationship with his father and it's pretty clear that he's blaming himself for his father's death

Kate- she's a fugitive who killed her childhood love

Sawyer- he killed the wrong man in his plight for revenge

Locke- he was in a wheelchair for four years (but we don't know how that happened) and he's been miraculously healed

Hurley- he played the lottery with unlucky numbers and won and now he thinks that he's cursed by them

Sayid- he was an Iraqi soldier and is plagued by guilt; he was also on the plane on his way to LA to find Nadia--*interesting side note: When Danielle is holding Sayid prisoner, he has the picture of Nadia and she asks about it. He tells her Nadia is dead b/c of him. But, he was on his way to LA to find her. Her job was a research assistant. I think that Nadia might play a bigger role in the future*

Sun- she was planning to leave her husband at the airport in Sydney, but then got on the plane instead

Jin- he's in the korean mafia

Claire- she visited the psychic who told her that her baby was cursed and she had to give it away

Charlie- he's a drug addict

Michael- he may have wanted Walt at first, but when he got him, he clearly didn't know what to do with him and tried to pass him off onto his (Michael's) mother. Michael has also been told by his ex-wife's husband that Walt is somehow 'different,' so he may be noticing this now, too.

Walt- he has special powers (he may or may not realize this.

Shannon- She and he step-brother, Boone, had an interesting relationship, to say the least.

Am I missing someone? I feel like I am.

Anyway, all of them have something to hide. And all of them were on that plane for a reason. Several of them almost missed the flight or had an obstacle to overcome to get on the plane. For example:

Jack: He had an tiff with the baggage claim about getting his father's coffin onto the plane

Hurley: Ran out of gas, went to the wrong gate, had to buy two tickets, ran through the airport like a lunatic to get to the flight and the whole time the numbers kept appearing (on his gas gauge, his room number, the flight number and time, a girls' soccer team was lined up and their jersey's had the numbers on)

Locke: Had delays making the flight b/c he was in a wheelchair; he also wasn't supposed to be on that flight b/c he was supposed to be doing the Walkabout, but was turned down. *sidenote* Sawyer wasn't supposed to be on that flight either (or rather, he didn't choose it). He was deported and forced onto the flight--same thing with Kate*

Sun: Was supposed to escape from Jin at the airport before the flight.

Just some more food for thought.

There is definitely an evil force at work here (like I said before, I'm convinced the whole premise of the show is good vs. evil). Whether that evil force is Desmond himself or if he is a puppet of the evil force, remains to be seen. And I don't think we'll find out this week. This week is all about the raft (who, I've heard, btw, won't make it back to the island until episode 8). Next week is supposed to be a big episode, with the real 'aha! moment.

kenzie · Chanel

Also wanted to add about Hurley, the numbers and the hatch...

In Hurley's flashback, when he's in the psych hospital and Lenny starts to freak out and scream, "you opened the box! don't open the box!"

Could have been forshadowing to the hatch. Also, in reference to Pandora's Box, when everything was release from it, hope remained inside. When Hurley asked Locked what he thought was in the hatch, Locke's reply was, "Hope. I think hope is inside." So, maybe he was right, but what if an unearthly evil was also inside? Just some thoughts.

We'll have to start a weekly Lost thread cuz this is getting long!

bumblebee · Coach

thanks halley and mikacat! i don't know if i'm right, it's just a guess. i am sure that whatever the writers come up with will be much more twisty, but i am wondering if there will be something like this mixed in with it.

also nylabelle--i forgot about claire's evil baby! that could totally be her deal with the devil.

one thing, though--michael never tried to get rid of walt. he was devastated when the mother moved herself and walt to england and kept trying to get him back. then he even covered up for the stepfather who was in a rush to get rid of walt once the mother died, by telling walt that the stepfather did want him--he really loves that kid.

NCshopper · Hermes

bumblebee wrote:

one thing, though--michael never tried to get rid of walt. he was devastated when the mother moved herself and walt to england and kept trying to get him back. then he even covered up for the stepfather who was in a rush to get rid of walt once the mother died, by telling walt that the stepfather did want him--he really loves that kid.

Michael actually did try to get rid of Walt. When they were at the airport leaving Sydney, Walt was playing a video game and Michael left him to use the phone to call his mom. When they were on the phone, Michael tried to get his mom to take Walt for a bit and that's when Michael turned around and Walt was standing right there.

What you wrote Nylabelle, is right on target about them all having things they want to escape in their pasts. The only one that doesn't fit in is Locke, and I have a feeling that the rest of his backstory is going to be really interesting and will probably explain a lot. I think the producers have been holding out on giving us Locke's backstory because I think the show will make a bit more sense once we learn more about Locke. I think it will fit in with the theory that they all have something they're trying to escape from their past and his story is the final piece of that puzzle. That's my theory.

scarlett · Marc Jacobs

the more i think about your faust theory, bumblebee, the more it "clicks" for me. i re-watched last week's episode again last night with that in mind and wondered if desmond had interacted with the other characters too when they desperately wanted something, like when jack was torn up over not being able to fix sarah.

i think at one point michael did want to give walt up. not because he didn't love him -- he just didn't know what to do with him when they were finally reunited in australia. he was on the phone with his (michael's) mother asking her if she would take walt, explaining how he had to get out of his apartment so early every day, stuff like that. he was heartbroken when his girlfriend left him and took walt, that's for sure, and they did reconnect and stop being at odds with each other by the end of the season.

kenzie · Chanel

I like mikacat's theory, too. The first time Desmond and Jack interacted, I thought there was something funny about him and I'm convinced that he's going to appear in every single person's back story (did i post that here already?? or just on the Lost message board?? I'm getting confused!). And I'm 100% Desmond is completely evil (and I thought that in his first encounter with Jack--there was just something about him that was off).

And yes, Michael did try to give up Walt. He was on the phone in the airport with his mom and asked if she would take him. He said, "this was never part of the plan." As much as he loved Walt, he wasn't prepared to be his father. And when he turned around from the phone at the airport, Walt was standing behind him and had heard the whole thing.

NCShopper, as for Locke and his backstory...yeah, he doesn't fit the traditional 'something to hide/escape' mold. But then, we haven't gotten all of his (or any of the characters' backstories, yet). But I think that Locke is different from the rest of them. That's been pretty apparent throughout Season 1.

bumblebee · Coach

i thought i hadn't missed any of the episodes, but i totally missed the walt/michael thing! maybe i wasn't paying attention during that episode or something. hmm, ok--so that does change my opinion of him a little then.

kenzie · Chanel

bumblebee wrote:

i thought i hadn't missed any of the episodes, but i totally missed the walt/michael thing! maybe i wasn't paying attention during that episode or something. hmm, ok--so that does change my opinion of him a little then.

It was part of the Season 1 finale, I believe (I can't remember if it was part 1 or part 2).

FashionPrincess · Hermes

NylaBelle wrote:

A bit of trivia from www.tv.com, which I found very interesting. Has anyone seen it with closed captioning and verify this? "As Jack walks into the geodesic-dome bunker, with the 80s rock music blaring in the background, Kate yells out "Jack!". He can't hear her but the closed-captioning text shows that Kate yells out 3 times." Side note: Was 'Make your Own Kind of Music' from the 70's or 80's?? -- Edited by NylaBelle at 15:58, 2005-09-26

Yes, Kate yells out to him, I was like, does no one hear her?!? But I guess over the music they couldn't.