STYLETHREAD -- LET'S TALK SHOP!

tri_sarah_tops wrote:

 

No time right now to comment on your other points, but in short, based on what I know of her, she terrifies me. Conservatives seem happy with her, so maybe this isn't so bad for them, but she is way, way, way, too far right for me,

 

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I'm fine with that. She is very conservative. So is McCain. The original question wasn't if you like her or not, it was whether it was a smart choice or not. That's the question that I was answering.

When it comes to the question of who I want leading my country, I honestly am not happy with any of them.

-- Edited by ILoveChoo at 12:40, 2008-08-30

subwolley wrote:

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However, I don't know if it will really help him at all, especially since Hillary has stated she's 100% behind Obama, and wants her voters to support him as well.

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I think (and I'm sure McCain thinks/knows as well) that there are plenty of women who were going to vote for Hillary not becuase of her political views, but because of her gender. So even though she wants her supporters to back Obama, I think many of them won't simply because of his gender. It's sad, really, that so many people would vote on something so irrelevant.

blink wrote:

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This might sound sexist to some, but as a mother of young children myself, I do not find Palin to be impressive for taking on this responsibility at this time.  In my opinion, this is not the time to be putting herself into such a meteoric career.  And I do consider myself to be a feminist mother, especially when it comes to maternal rights with employers and equal pay. 

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As a mother myself, I do understand this. However, this is likely the ne plus ultra of her career, the stuff of her childhood dreams. I know if someone handed me my dreams on a silver plater I would find a way to make that happen, even if I did have a small child at home (and I do). I also can't imagine any decent husband who would let his wife throw away everything she dreamed of when he could step up and care for the children, hire a nanny, etc.

Not to mention, in the grander scheme of things, if I really thought I could do something to help this country and all the families and people in it, I would. IMO, it would actually be quite selfish to turn that down. We're talking a few children at home vrs millions of people, and assuming she's got the greater good in mind, then she would have made the correct choice.

I'm not saying I'm for her at all, I'm completely undecided at this point. But having looked at all facets of the motherhood aspect of it, this is my opinion.

ILoveChoo wrote:

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Again, not getting into issues (I think most of you know where I stand on those anyway) but just thinking about this strategically and kind of playing the devil's advocate;

-I don't understand the "not qualified" comments. Obama is hardly more qualified than she is. She has almost 2 years of experience as Governor. That is 2 more years of executive experience than any of the other 3 people running. Lets not forget that this is an executive position.

-This goes a great way n helping McCain inoculate himself against the "more of the same" arguments. How can the Dems say he's more of the same, when Obama went and picked probably the safest guy he could think of to run with?

-She's actually really close to McCain in terms of issues. Its not like he picked someone that he doesn't agree with at all.

-I know you were trying not to sound sexist with the family comments, but really?? Would you think the same if it was a man in that position? I seriously doubt it. Her husband can take on the "mother" role. I find those comments highly offensive. You do it the same as you would in any family where the woman has a high level position. And they will most likely move to DC...there's nothing that says they have to stay in Alaska.

-I think that the people who are offended by him picking a woman most likely wouldn't have voted for him anyway. I doubt it hurts him in that respect.

Suasora: I think the oil thing is because eve though she's for drilling, she taxed the hell out of those companies.

That all being said, I still think there were much smarter picks. If he wanted to go with a woman, I think Sen. Snowe would have been an awesome choice.... I thought the rumors of Lieberman were also very smart. But I also think people would find a problem with anyone he picked.

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well said

I can't leave this thread alone, since it's such a treat to have a political dialogue with a group of people I like and respect.

ILoveChoo wrote:

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At the same time though, by him nominating a woman it makes his tickt just as historic as Obama's. So Hillary aside, people just looking to make history won't all just flock to Obama now. As lame as it is, people actually do vote based on things like that.

 

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It may make this ticket historic for Republicans, but the party is 24 years too late to claim the high road of progress. I know history is in the eye of the beholder, but we had the chance to elect a female VP already and we said eh - no thanks.

 

I think choosing her will win votes from pro-life conservative women.

And the fact that he knew about her daughter's pregnancy will only help, in my opinion.

Here's why (I think): It's easy to be pro-life when it's all hypothetical. But when you can put your money where your mouth is (so to speak), when you can show not what you WOULD do, but what you are actually DOING, that action will win you support and credibility with people who hold the same values.