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BCBG

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I'm an intern at a major media company. I've been interning here for a while; I was here last summer and worked at the DC office last spring. Last summer, I worked with this producer a few times, let's call him A. A. was incredibly friendly towards me from the start, which I was very appreciative of since most producers here blew me off as just another intern. A. took me out to lunch, gave me great advice, told me he could help me make a name for myself in this business. We kept in touch this past semester while I was at school through email. I was eager to work with A. again when I came back here last week. However, A. isn't my boss, and I have other responsibilities to deal with, so we don't see each other that much. We decided to schedule a lunch to give us some time to chat and catch up. Before leaving, I told the girl who works next to me that I was going to lunch with A. Her eyes widened and she said, "Be careful," and proceeded to tell me about how A. has a thing for young girls - he's tried to spend time with many outside of work and ventured into inappropriate territory, to say the least. I thanked her for telling me because I've been wondering lately whether A. just wants to be my friend/mentor or something more. Today's lunch confirmed the latter.


He told me he was going to treat me to lunch before we went, so that wasn't a suprise. But our conversation was ridiculous - all about sex and relationships, completely unrelated to work. He asked me about my previous boyfriends (he knew before this lunch that I'm in a serious relationship) and told me about his romantic escapades. He talked about how he had "amazing, passionate, primal" sex with this girl once and asked whether I had ever had an experience like that. He admired my pants and commented on how good they looked on me. Throughout lunch, I had no idea what to say. I wasn't offended by our conversation, it was just so wildly inappropriate. I was SO thankful that my friend warned me about this guy before I left; that kept me from divulguing anything too personal and taking anything he said to heart.


I started adding up all the factors - the conversations about sex and realtionships, the way A. invites me into his office to do personal things like wrap presents, how A. asks me to close his door everytime I go in there, how he's offered me rides home (to Jersey from NYC - no short distance)...the list goes on. The problem is this guy is accomplished, has great connections and could really help me out in this business. Can I take advantage of my professional relationship with him without making him think that I want something more? The LAST thing I want is for anyone at work to suspect that something's going on with me and A. Should I just stop associating with him altogether? Talk to him about work stuff only? Please help!



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What a creep.  Personally I think his behavior is totally inappropriate and that he is taking advantage of you...not the other way around.  I say distance yourself from this guy ASAP because he could end up hurting you professionally.  Not that they should, but if people in your office suspect that you two have a relationship (even though you don't), it could cause a lot of problems for you.  You are young and have a great career ahead of you, without the help of any lecherous older men. 



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Woah - that's quite a problem. Part of me thinks you should distance yourself from any kind of personal exchanges (no more closed door meetings, etc.) but still get all the benefit you can from him professionally. Another part of me thinks that isn't possible and you should avoid, avoid, avoid at all costs. And still another part wonders if you completely cut off ties what kind of power he has to hurt you at work? Your reputation in the workplace is important. You can't control what people think about you but you can control what they see and don't see.


I think I would try to get away from him and anything he's involved with as much as possible. If he continues to harass you (because that's what this is), tell your boss or the HR people. It's illegal for a reason.


Good luck! Let us know how it goes.



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ok, gonna be blunt for a sec (please forgive me)--i think he's trying to get in your pants and i think his offers to help you professionally are a load of crap.  i would steer clear, big time.  just be busy whenever he comes calling.  and if you somehow get wrangled into having to spend time w/ him, bring a friend.  seriously, this guy sounds like bad news.  and the sad thing is there's a lot of guys like him, esp. in the entertainment industry, so take this as a lesson learned and watch your back.  be careful and know we're here for you.


 



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Stay away if something does happen it will get out the females will disrespect you and the men will feel that they can take advantage of you. I would politely say to him. I really appreciate career advice but i would like to keep our relationship strictly professional. Then tell him or HR if he makes any other advances at you. It is NOT okay.

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I'm gonna have to agree with esquiress on this one. and that really sucks and is unfair because you should be able to have professional mentors without having to worry about whether they're trying to get into your pants.


but this guy is trouble. and don't let him try to fool you into thinking you need him to get ahead. it's tempting to think you can continue to have a close working relationship and still keep him at bay, but my sense is that being around this guy will bring you trouble in the long run. just remember you are talented, smart and competent, and you don't need this sleazebag to do well. see if you can scope out other prospective mentors. be a little pushy if you have to, because like you said, many people might be inclined to blow you off at first.



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(sorry i'm going to be blunt too) esquiress is totally right. this guy is a total creep. sorry but i felt his creepy vibe just from reading your post. i say distance yourself as much as possible from him.

i know this sounds totally horrible and don't hate me for saying this..... but i don't think you're in the position of power to manipulate any professional advances only from this guy. i think the only way you can stay in control of the situation is by distancing yourself from him. this isn't the kind of person that can help you professionally. it sounds like he already has a bad reputation and spending time with him isn't going to help your's.

bean makes an excellent point. you don't need this guy to get ahead. there's someone out there that you can definitely learn from... who isn't trying to take advantage of you.

stay strong. you are better off without his help. you sound like you have alot of motivation and potential. don't let this jerk bring you down.

sorry i'm usually not this nasty, but this guys sounds horrible.

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Oh this is a difficult scenario. First of all - yes, clearly this man is trying to get into your pants. I have to throw in a little note of caution, though, in regards to going to superiors. How powerful is this guy? How much influence does he have? I would be *very* careful about making accusations against higher-ups without proof (even in a case like this where it obviously did happen - you cannot prove it). In all likelihood, everyone is aware of his intern penchant (in fact I hear an intern penchant, among senior male staff, is pretty much de rigeur) but keep the politics in mind - do you want to get a permanent job at this place?


OK, I just found the article (I read this when it was first published - it's fascinating) your post reminded me of. It's here: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ICQ/is_2004_Oct_25/ai_n6253964


And here's a quote from it:


"But they suggested the same principle that many women interviewed by The Observer have asserted since Ms. Mackris' vivid charges against Mr. O'Reilly have been reported: TV news is a generally inhospitable place for women to work. It often involves unequal pay for comparable work. It nurtures and inspires sexual harassment in a pressured, heightened environment filled with risks and rewards, highs and lows, and often staffed by malleable younger women producers and assistants assigned to the care and feeding of outsized male egos.


Few women under the age of 40 were willing to speak on the record for this piece about their harassment experiences, or even the sexist culture of TV news in general. But this was a shockingly easy story to gather anecdotal material for, on background.


"The television industry in general is rampant with sexual harassment, and it's very difficult for women at a low level to complain or do anything about it," said Lisa Bloom, a Court TV anchor and sexual-harassment attorney. "As you can see with what's happened to Andrea Mackris, it's brutal. That's why they don't come forward. They put up with it, they change jobs, engage in avoidance. It's a small industry in New York, especially in cable news, and we all know each other. You move around a lot, and your reputation follows you. And if you offend the top brass at one TV network, they're very tight with top brass at other networks. Word will spread, and you'll have a hard time getting a job."



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just jumping on the bandwagon with the other girls, who have given great advice. 


i just want to add that it may not be a bad idea to say something, not blow it out of proportion, but just say something subtle to HR about what has already happened.  do you have an HR dept. that you could talk to in confidence?


without knowing him, i don't know how vindictive he is and how he will react when you stop being "friends" with him and turn down his invitations.  worst case scenario, he may try to badmouth you and make you look bad.  by launching a preemptive strike through HR, they will have a record of your side of the story.  it sounds like this guy is creating a toxic workplace, and if so they may already have sexual harrassment complaints filed on him from others. 



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Thanks so much for the advice, girls! (Mia - I haven't read the article yet but I'm definitely going to check it out.)


I agree with you all - there's no good way to use his professional connections while fending off his more-than-friendly advances, and I'll be perfectly fine without them. Last week, we made plans to get together and make an audition tape for me sometime in January - after today, I'm so not going to let that happen. (If he blatantly comes on to me in a restaurant and at the office, can you IMAGINE what he would do if we were alone for a long period of time??) I talked this over with some of my girlfriends as well, and have come to the conclusion that the best thing for me to do is maintain a civil email relationship with him, if anything, and avoid any attempts on his part to get together. Luckily, we don't run into each other much around the office and I'm busy enough with work that I can always use that as an excuse for not doing anything. He'll be on vacation for the next 2 weeks and by the time he gets back, I'll only have a few weeks left of my internship.


As for reporting him to HR or my internship supervisor - in theory, I'd love to let higher ups know. But as some of you pointed out, and as I've seen in my media experience, sexual harassment of this kind is pretty much accepted, and he's important enough that it would be damaging only to me if I complained about this. Plus, he's friends with the woman who's in charge of hiring full time people, and it wouldn't be wise to tarnish the image she has of me.


Ugh. I know he's a creep, but I can't help feeling a little bad about this. I really thought I had found a mentor in A.; now I think he's one of the sketchiest guys I've ever met. Whatever - I'm so glad I figured out this situation sooner rather than later - and that one of my co-workers was considerate enough to alert me to this guy's reputation.


And just to let you know what he might have wanted - he said that his mindblowing, primal sex was with a CO-WORKER and that they often had sex at WORK. And that the girl was in a relationship but it was fine because they did their thing and no one got hurt. GROSS.



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my late two cents.  i work in an office where the idea of "sexual harassment" doesn't really exist. the things i've heard in my office... anyway i think your strategy is good. not that i think you should turn a blind eye, but even in this day and age, women still have a long way to towards gaining equality.  if you're not "bothered" by his behavior, and at worse you feel a bit naive, then you're in a good place. your best bet is to slowly phase him out of your life, and not make a big deal out of it (even though it is a big deal). if it continues to bother you there are lots of counselling services available  that you can take advantage of.

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I would also advise steering clear of him. Obviously his reputation is out there and you've been warned by a co-worker already.


Funny thing is HE can score as many interns as he pleases, but if any shred of impropriety is there and perceived to be on YOUR part then the level of respect you deserve will not be there.


And do you really think he can actually help you professionally? I doubt he has any real intentions of that.



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