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I'm wondering if the heart attack was assisted & induced...


my husband thinks he skipped the country and is living on a remote island (we'll see if a body is produced)


just interesting how this conveniently happened before his October sentencing...

Enron Founder Kenneth Lay Dies at 64 By KRISTEN HAYS, AP Business Writer

Enron Corp. founder Kenneth Lay walks to the federal ...


HOUSTON - Enron Corp. founder Kenneth Lay, who was convicted of helping perpetuate one of the most sprawling business frauds in U.S. history, died Wednesday in Aspen, Colo. He was 64.


Lay died of a heart attack, his pastor in Houston said.


"Apparently, his heart simply gave out," said Pastor Steve Wende of Houston's First United Methodist Church. Lay, who lived in Houston, frequently vacationed in Colorado.


Lay was convicted May 25 along with former Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling of defrauding investors and employees by repeatedly lying about Enron's financial strength in the months before the company plummeted into bankruptcy protection in December 2001. Lay was also convicted in a separate non-jury trial of bank fraud and making false statements to banks, charges related to his personal finances.


Skilling, reached by telephone at his home in Houston, told The Associated Press that he was aware of Lay's death.


"No, I don't have any comment," he said quietly.


Prosecutors in Lay's trial also declined comment Wednesday, both on his unexpected death and what may become of the government's effort to seek a $43.5 million judgment from Lay that they say he pocketed as part of the conspiracy. Lay's death will not affect their case against Skilling.


Both were scheduled to be sentenced Oct. 23. Lay faced decades in prison, as does Skilling.


The Pitkin, Colo., Sheriff's Department said officers were called to Lay's house in Old Snowmass, Colo., shortly after 1 a.m. MDT (3 a.m. EDT). He was taken to Aspen Valley Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 3:11 a.m. MDT.


Pat Worcester, executive assistant to the CEO at Aspen Valley Hospital, said the hospital would release a statement later.


Family spokeswoman Kelly L. Kimberly issued a statement saying, "Ken Lay passed away early this morning in Aspen. The Lays have a very large family with whom they need to communicate. And out of respect for the family, we will release further details at a later time."


Burt Palmer, the church's executive pastor, told The Associated Press that the Lays attended church in Houston on Sunday. "The church continues to love them and help them walk through this difficult time."


Lay led Enron's meteoric rise from a staid natural gas pipeline company formed by a 1985 merger to an energy and trading conglomerate that reached No. 7 on the Fortune 500 in 2000 and claimed $101 billion in annual revenues. Lay traveled in the highest business and political circles.


For many years, his corporation was the single biggest contributor to President Bush, who nicknamed him "Kenny Boy."


But Enron collapsed after it was revealed the company's finances were based on a web of fraudulent partnerships and schemes, not the profits that it reported to investors and the public.


When Lay and Skilling went on trial in U.S. District Court Jan. 30, it had been expected that Lay, who enjoyed great popularity throughout Houston as chairman of the energy company, might be able to charm the jury. But during his testimony, Lay came across as irritable and combative.


His lead lawyer, Michael Ramsey, was hospitalized for heart problems during that part of the trial.


Lay also defended his extravagant lifestyle, including a $200,000 yacht for wife Linda's birthday party, despite $100 million in personal debt and saying "it was difficult to turn off that lifestyle like a spigot."


Both he and Skilling maintained that there had been no wrongdoing at Enron, and that the company had been brought down by negative publicity that undermined investors' confidence.


His defense didn't help his case with jurors.


"I wanted very badly to believe what they were saying," juror Wendy Vaughan said after the verdicts were announced. "There were places in the testimony I felt their character was questionable."


Lay was born in Tyrone, Mo. and spent his childhood helping his family make ends meet. His father ran a general store and sold stoves until he became a minister. Lay delivered newspapers and mowed lawns to pitch in. He attended the University of Missouri, found his calling in economics, and went to work at Exxon Mobil Corp. predecessor Humble Oil & Refining upon graduation.


He joined the Navy, served his time at the Pentagon, and then served as undersecretary for the Department of the Interior before he returned to business. He became an executive at Florida Gas, then Transco Energy in Houston, and later became CEO of Houston Natural Gas. In 1985, HNG merged with InterNorth in Omaha, Neb. to form Enron, and Lay became chairman and CEO of the combined company the next year.



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Somehow..... this just doesn't strike me as fair..


 


 



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my first reaction when I saw that this morning was, "I wonder what drugs you can OD on that would make it look like a heart attck."

I don't buy it.

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my first reaction when I saw that this morning was, "I wonder what drugs you can OD on that would make it look like a heart attck." I don't buy it.

This was my first thought as well. I mean, seriously...are we supposed to believe the utter coincidence of the heart attack? I have a much easier time believing that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

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ILoveChoo wrote: my first reaction when I saw that this morning was, "I wonder what drugs you can OD on that would make it look like a heart attck." I don't buy it. This was my first thought as well. I mean, seriously...are we supposed to believe the utter coincidence of the heart attack? I have a much easier time believing that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

yeah, no kidding. Sounds like somebody didn't want to go to prison. If it was legit, then he's one lucky sonofagun. If it wasn't legit...well -- I believe there are bigger powers dealing with him now.

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ILoveChoo wrote:


my first reaction when I saw that this morning was, "I wonder what drugs you can OD on that would make it look like a heart attck." I don't buy it.


my thoughts exactly. actually many people who die from an OD suffer a "massive" heart attack.


 


Also I agree w/ Ayo.But I believe in God and he (Kenneth LAY)  will surely has some 'splainin' to do.



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ILoveChoo wrote:


my first reaction when I saw that this morning was, "I wonder what drugs you can OD on that would make it look like a heart attck." I don't buy it.


 


uhmm I dunno...I'm pretty sure he was under surveillance..to prevent him from pulling such a punk move.


 



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ayo wrote:


Somehow..... this just doesn't strike me as fair..    

Agreed. And I think it sucks that now his criminal penalties are just going to go away, unless someone can come up with some novel legal argument. Boo. If there is a hell, he's roasting in it.

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ayo wrote:


ILoveChoo wrote: my first reaction when I saw that this morning was, "I wonder what drugs you can OD on that would make it look like a heart attck." I don't buy it.   uhmm I dunno...I'm pretty sure he was under surveillance..to prevent him from pulling such a punk move.  


i think you can get away with it pretty easily. 


my thoughts... how convienent.  on holiday with his family in colorado, chance to "say good-bye", his own independence day.....  that's what i was thinking when i heard about it. 


i don't think he's in the south of france or anything like that.  i think a body would definitely have to be produced.  in fact, i read somewhere that the paramedics were called at 1 am, and he died at 3 am at the hospital.


who knows....



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ayo wrote: ILoveChoo wrote: my first reaction when I saw that this morning was, "I wonder what drugs you can OD on that would make it look like a heart attck." I don't buy it.   uhmm I dunno...I'm pretty sure he was under surveillance..to prevent him from pulling such a punk move.   i think you can get away with it pretty easily.  my thoughts... how convienent.  on holiday with his family in colorado, chance to "say good-bye", his own independence day.....  that's what i was thinking when i heard about it.  i don't think he's in the south of france or anything like that.  i think a body would definitely have to be produced.  in fact, i read somewhere that the paramedics were called at 1 am, and he died at 3 am at the hospital. who knows....


 


perhaps..and that would be a real b*tch move on he's part..


but no surprise there..


I think if he truly did commit suicide it will come to light soon enough..but for now I'm not fully convinced that he did. The man was probably crapping in he's pants at the thought of being in jail for the rest of he's life. I'm really pissed he died though, he needed someone to "toss he's salad" at least once..then if he wanted to have a heart attack....fine.


In any case there is a worse waiting for him...


 



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i dont mean to start any sort of argument or anything, but i feel kind of bad.  i think its really sad that death was his "escape".  That is a sad idea, regardless of what he did. 

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i dont mean to start any sort of argument or anything, but i feel kind of bad.  i think its really sad that death was his "escape".  That is a sad idea, regardless of what he did. 


Ok...well I do understand your point. However I think what is sadder is that somewhere there is a little 62 year old admin assistant that was on the verge of retirement, spent her whole life making this man's millions and now out of he's sheer greed and lack of consideration for human beings, she may end up having to get a job at Walmart just to make ends meet for the rest of her life.


I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for him.


 



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It would actually not be too hard to give yourself a 'heart attack' at that altitude.  FH used to work on the hundreds of skiers brought down off the mountain every year with cardiovascular distress.  If someone is just visiting CO from a  much lower altitude, that alone stresses your body because there is much less oxygen in the air up there.  Add a little exertion to that and it's enough to tip a decent number of young healthy people over the edge.  It would certainly be enough to do so to a 64 year old man who could have had a preextisting heart condition.



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this news did not surprise me, being a bad man can really take it's toll on the body.  this Enron scandal hit the press in what...2001 or 2002, didn't it?  I am sure Lay's health has been deteriorating in the years since.

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