I was shot at this weekend. No, not in Detroit, but out in the back woods...
First, a little back-story. My mother grew up in a very removed rural area on a farm. It's this pocket of Michigan that's mostly farms, and the people really don't venture out much. They even have their own dialect and accent. My father came from a prominent family in an adjacent town, and was a police officer. My father met my mother when she was working at a local diner and they were married a month later. Some of my mother's family had a reputation for causing/getting in trouble, and because of this, my father didn't want her/us to have contact with them. I only saw her parents twice during the first 21 years of my life, and didn't know her 7 siblings and the many cousins that came with them. My parents divorced when I was 21, and my mother's family reconnected with my mother. They all seemed like nice enough people, and I made a little effort to get to know them, but it was always a little uncomfortable for me to embrace them as family as I didn't really know them.
Fast forward to my mother's death... My mother wanted her ashes buried in the container on the site where her childhood farm was. This is now state owned hunting land and open to the public. My uncle is with the department for natural resources, and he assured me the land would never be developed. My mother was specific that she wanted them buried in the container as she didn't want her ashes spread like fertilizer (referencing my father's spreading of my great uncle's ashes in the woods.) This is something I envisioned doing with some of her siblings, and I wanted to place her ashes near where her sisters ashes were scattered on the farm site.
After my mother's death, her two sisters were trying to scam money out of me by saying my mother owed them money (I have all her ledgers and know she didn't owe anyone anything) and they are not speaking to me because I didn't just shell out cash to them. That, and they (one more than the other) wanted their pick of her possessions. My mother specifically said not to give either of her sisters ANYTHING since she was so disgusted with them trying to make dibs on her things before and she was dying.
So, I have had my mother's ashes all this time, and this weekend, went to go bury them myself. We drove out to the farm site. The road is nearly impassable as it's so old and rutted - you definitely need four wheel drive to go there. It has been many years since I went there with my mom. When we got to the farm site, what used to be a clearing was now this circle drive with HUGE ruts and trash strewn about, not really the prettiest setting... There was a pickup parked there, which is normal for state land pull-offs. We went to go get the shovel and ashes then heard gun shots. This is hunting land, but it is not hunting season in any way, shape, or form. We thought that maybe the shots were off in the distance, but as we got all of our stuff together, the shots came closer. I wanted to get this deed done and we didn't have any bright clothing on, so even if someone was hunting illegally, I wanted them to know we were out there so we wouldn't get shot. I called into the woods, "hey!" and whoever it was started shooting and shooting and shooting repetitiously. I told my husband I was nervous and wanted to go. We threw our stuff in the suv and took off. There were locals at the corner staring at us as we drove out...
We then went and visited a nearby relative from my father's side, and he said "I wouldn't go there - that's right next to Kidderville." Now, Kidderville is not on any map. It's very back-hills, and apparently they don't like visitors. He also said he wouldn't bury anything out there because they're probably watching and would dig it up.
If I had one of my mother's relatives with me, I'd probably be safe as they would recognize them. Considering the rift, I really don't want to engage them. My husband wants to make another attempt, but just drive away if someone is parked there. I'm worried they'd dig up my mother's ashes. Then I'm thinking can we just open the lead box somehow and scatter the ashes, but my husband thinks we should respect her wishes and bury them in the box. My mother's brother (my favorite out of all of them) lives down the road and could safely take us there, but he's close with one of the greedy sisters. I really don't know what to do.
How's that for a dilemma? Thoughts? LOL
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Did you hear any dueling banjos playing while out there? :)
My first thought, D, was that you should respect your mom's wishes and have her ashes buried. I'm still working through my dad's side of the family not cremating my grandfather like he requested. I wasn't even particularly close to this grandfather, but it still really colors my feelings about that side of the family.
Anyway, would it be possible to go back out there on a work day? I'm guessing most of the hillbillies don't have jobs so that might not have an impact on them spying on you, but it may help a little. If you do call up your mom's brother and he agrees to go with you, what is the worst that would happen with her sisters? They might show up and be major PITA, right? Is a few hours spent with them worth it to honor your mom's wishes?
I guess what I'm saying is that your dislike for your mom's side of the family might need to be put aside so that you can honor her wishes. Taking care of this will probably also take a huge stress off of your shoulders, you may not even be aware you are carrying stress from this around.
Good luck! And wear orange if you go back!
ETA: Was also thinking that maybe you could find a different place to bury the ashes? What was more important to your mom, do you think? The burying or the farm?
-- Edited by relrel on Monday 6th of April 2009 09:40:11 AM
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As for your mother's ashes, I agree with your husband. She had a specific request to have them buried on this land so I would probably do it, even though it is a huge pain. I would call your mom's brother and see if he can help. I know he is close to one of the greedy sisters, but they are already mad at you so who cares if they get a little more mad bc you called him. You are doing something for your mom so they should respect that. Based on previous circumstances they probably won't and it might cause a little more drama, but I would try anyway. However, I know all of this is easier said than done.
It is nice to know that all families have things like this! I haven't had exactly the same situation, but we have greedy family members who only want money. Drives me crazy!
Good luck and be careful!!!
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haha - I almost entitled this "queue the duelling banjos: my own personal deliverance"
relrel - you're right. I think this weighs on me more than I know. as much of a realist as I am, some buried emotions were definitely stirred while contemplating this task.
I think I'm going to have to engage her brother. He's well respected in that area, and no one would mess with us.
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woah. that's very hatfield vs. mccoy/deliverence kind of stuff... i realized that there are hillbillies everywhere and every hillbilly is different.
can you talk to your moms brother? can you make some sort of compromise in putting her ashes in another place she was fond of? a place that you wouldn't get shot at? i'm thinking if your mom knew that these people were there toting guns, shooting at you, and may dig up her ashes, she probably wouldn't want them there...
i know home was probably dear to her, but maybe somewhere that she loved to vacation? a place that she felt relaxed and loved?
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I think your plan of calling the brother is a good one. I think it would be nice to have family there, and so what if the sisters get all in a huff about it? Sounds like you don't have anything to lose as far as they're concerned. And if your uncle is well-respected, the people probably won't dig it up after you're gone.
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I think your plan of calling the brother is a good one. I think it would be nice to have family there, and so what if the sisters get all in a huff about it? Sounds like you don't have anything to lose as far as they're concerned. And if your uncle is well-respected, the people probably won't dig it up after you're gone.
Kincali - there are no police out there, hence the shooting. I'd have to get state police involved, and I don't think that would be well received by the locals. Also, I'm technically burying human remains on state land, which they probably wouldn't be in support of anyway.
Kelly - in total agreement. I think that's what we're going to have to do. I don't plan on having the sisters in my life now, so it's not like I'm damaging a valued relationship. I don't think he is necessarily on their bandwagon anyway. He's really the only family member I want to stay in touch with, so I guess this is as good as any excuse to break the ice.
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Yup, I agree with everyone else; get in contact with your uncle and bury your mom the way she wanted and where she wanted to be.
The same thing happened when my grandma passed away in November. She wanted to be cremated and have her ashes scattered over the Monterey Bay. Everything had been prepared, signed, and paid for back in 1996 (I went with her). Well, when she passed, my skanky bitch cousin begged her dad to have everything changed and to have my grandma buried, so that she had a place to visit her and take flowers. WHY?! You didn't bother when she was alive! Anyway, despite our pleas to keep things the way my grandma wanted; they were able to put her ashes in an ugly urn and put into a mausoleum.
I have had no contact with any of them since the day of the funeral, nor do I want to. That is complete bullshit, what they did. So of course, you know what I would say.......respect your mom's wishes.
And can I say, by your description, I was totally picturing the "people" from, "The Hills Have Eyes."
So much for a peaceful day in the country, huh? I think contacting your mom's brother is the best idea. It'll accomplish having a member of your mom's immediate family there and keep you safe as well. I'd bury the box kind of deep though, if you think somebody would dig it up. Maybe place a small cross on top so they know it's a burial and not money or something worth their digging it up?
Also, since I wasn't posting when your mom passed, I'd like to offer my condolences now. I hope that putting her remains to rest give you some closure.
rosie_the_riveter wrote:And can I say, by your description, I was totally picturing the "people" from, "The Hills Have Eyes."
OMG. Now that you mention it, yeah. Creepy.
Anyway, I agree with everyone who's said contact her brother and ask for his help. At least do everything within your power to respect your mom's wishes. And wear a bulletproof vest.
Did you hear any dueling banjos playing while out there? :) Good luck! And wear orange if you go back!
ETA: Was also thinking that maybe you could find a different place to bury the ashes? What was more important to your mom, do you think? The burying or the farm?
-- Edited by relrel on Monday 6th of April 2009 09:40:11 AM
I'm sure your mother would not want you risking your life to honor hers! In addition to the illegal nature of burying the container, I think you can respect the spirit of her wishes without following them to the letter...the place she wanted to be buried sounds like it simply doesn't exist anymore. Perhaps there's a prettier place nearby where the container won't be disturbed and people who want to visit the site won't be shot at. Perhaps somewhere on your uncle's property would do?
I say this as someone whose dad's ashes are currently stashed in the coat closet because his family is a bit too nuts to deal with these things, but that's neither here nor there...
I don't think I have any particularly great advice for you D, but wow, what a story! Glad you're okay!
I agree with the others--next time give your uncle a call. If you get the sense after talking to him, then call off the plan, but it sounds like he could be cool about it all.
That is insane D! I am so glad you guys got out of there safely!
Do you think if you went out there at night anyone would be out there? Maybe since it is not hunting season no one would have a reason to be out there then. If that wouldn't work then I would go ahead and call your uncle. I am sure he would be willing to help you out.
I am sure this is a difficult situation for you and I hope you are able to resolve it soon! Please keep us posted!