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Chanel

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This really isn't too big of a deal, it's just irritating me. I work a full-time job plus I have a jewelry design business plus I freelance in writing and graphic design AND I'm in grad school. I'm busy. I'm on the computer. Alot. When I'm not on the computer, I'm making jewelry or sketching a new design or taking photographs. All of this is fine with me. But it makes me tired. 

Here's the issue. Obviously, alot of this work (except for the day job) is done at home. The bf also works two jobs, but both of his take him out of the house. Lots of nights, he doesn't get home until midnight. Meanwhile, I'm stuck at home, working and taking the dogs out and he comes home and wonders why I haven't done the laundry or put the dishes in the dishwasher and taken the dogs on a nice, long walk. He starts to nag me about it and acts like I've been home all evening and haven't been doing anything. But really, when I get home from my day job, I give myself an hour or so to decompress and then I get back to work until about 10 or 11 p.m.

None of my side jobs are super-profitable yet but I'm also just starting out. Starting and running a business (plus a day job, plus grad school) takes tons of work and energy.

I have no problem pitching in and doing housework, but sometimes I feel like he thinks that because I'm home in the evenings, I should be doing housework. He also interrupts me constantly when he's home, asking me when I'm going to do this and that. It's making me crazy. I've tried to explain to him that I'm working, but I guess he thinks that being home=time to do housework.

I should note, he's really good about cleaning and helping out. When he's home. Which is almost never. Ugh. I'm not sure what the overall complaint is here. I guess it's just that I feel like he thinks he's working alot, but I'm not really working because I'm home. And that irritates me.

He's generally very supportive, but I he just doesn't get this sometimes. And then sometimes I feel guilty because I think, "well, I have been at home, so maybe I should have done the laundry." But I just get so wrapped up in a creative project and once I have momentum it's hard to stop. I feel like there needs to be three of me sometimes.

Thanks for letting me vent.




-- Edited by kenzie at 19:02, 2008-07-19

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Y'know, my husband does this too and I'm not sure what is going on in his brain when he does it?!  Does throwing in a load of laundry take along time?  No.  But if it's that easy shouldn't they be able to do it too?  Without waiting around for us to do it first?

I think part of it (at least for us) is that alot of home/chore things are considered to be my domain.  I did it all for a few years when I wasn't working outside the house and he was, all I asked was that he not make my job harder by leaving crap around.  I think he still feels like doing chores is 'helping me' to an extent, usually if I ask him to do something he will.  But having to ask reinforces the whole 'helping me' dynamic, which I hate because all of those chores are just as much his job as mine. 

We finally ended up hashing out a chore list of sorts, with somethings always being his job (floors, cat box, garbage/recycling), other things always being my job (laundry, bathrooms, dusting, bills, cooking) and some things we each do sometimes (kitchen/dishes, yard, clutter cleanup).  It's obviously not set in stone and we each pick up each others slack on occasion, but it takes the default responsibility for everything away from me, which is exhausting in and of itself.  Have you asked him his thoughts on this yet?

As for the day to day issue of him not leaving you alone while you're attempting to work, give distracted answers to his questions.  If that doesn't work, I'd let him know that you really need to work on this, and that you'll talk to him about these things later.  If he keeps at it, I'd just start to ignore him.  It may just be the offhand question here or there, but it brings what you're doing to a screeching halt every time.  Rude!

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Chanel

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I feel, I hear, I relate, I know.

Apparently there's an invisible field around the dishwasher that only I can penetrate. DH cannot put a dirty dish inside it, nor can he remove a clean dish from it.

Household chores are right up there with money and sex on the list of what couples fight about. What I don't know is how to fix it definitively. Our marriage counselor told us to make specific requests - ask, "would you do this, that, etc." If your partner is giving you head games, you prompt them by saying "are you making a request?" so they'll speak their mind.

I don't feel good about hiring household help, but in your case it could be $50 well spent every few weeks.

One question: do you have an honest-to-god workspace? Like a home office area that you can camp in when you're working? Having a certain place where you go when you need to work could help him understand that you're off-limits to his trivial needs.

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One question: do you have an honest-to-god workspace? Like a home office area that you can camp in when you're working? Having a certain place where you go when you need to work could help him understand that you're off-limits to his trivial needs.



No, I don't. And I'm sure that's a large part of the problem. I desperately need a studio where I can lock everyone out (and also don't have to clean up after every use, which is also another issue we have- heaven forbid if I leave a piece of paper or notebook on the coffee table for later use).  When we move (not sure when that's happening- may not be for another two years when I finish grad school), a room that we can convert to a studio is absolute requirement.

Funny (or not so funny), he actually did this to me yesterday when he got home. I was working on designing a banner and a logo and I really wanted to get it finished and he started bugging me about chores. I ended up staying up really late to finish my stuff because of the interruption.


 



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I think it's a common misconception that people who work from home "work" from home. Which drives me batty! When I have turned down someone for going out or whatever to say I need to do stuff around the house they're like, "uh, haven't you been at home all day?" Startup businesses take so much work with little payback to get the momentum going to the point where hopefully they'll be lucrative.
There are lots of reasons, including your boyfriends' actions, why you should create a clearly defined work area - I know you'd love a studio, but if that's just not a possibility right now, you just need to make your desk and the area around it "work.
Like when you are there, you're "at work." It might be easier, like Suasoria said, for your boyfriend to realize you are doing real work if you separate that area and tell him if you are there that's what you are doing and to please try to not disturb you unless it's important.

There are a couple other reasons you should do this though:
a) It can get really stressful when your apartment starts to feel like work because you do much of your work there. To give yourself some peace of mind, if you clearly define your work area, those feelings can be "relegated," in a way, to that corner, or wherever it may be. It's along the same line of thinking that people shouldn't do much in their bedroom besides sleep (and, well, you know) because ultimately the bedroom doesn't invoke the relaxing feelings that it should as a room to sleep in. (I've read about this alot because I have sleep problems) So even if you don't realize it, it's probably stressing you out some to not have just a "work" part of your apartment.

b) If you can clearly define the limits of your work area in your apartment, guess what! Measure that area, find out what percentage of your apt it is, and, Voila! Tax deductible! I'm not even kidding!

So, I know you want a studio, and you probably have an apartment that might make it a little difficult to separate an area, but if you can do it, it will help in some big ways. I had to rethink the arrangement of my living room (there are only 2 rooms in my apt) to separate my workspace. and I think it has helped alot. It's pretty fuzzy but I'm posting a picture so you can see how I made mine a "separate area" within my living room." 

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-- Edited by Hermione at 11:35, 2008-07-20

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Hermoine, I like your desk! We do have an area right inside our front door that's about 12x12 or something like that (I'm bad a estimating stuff like that). Right now, it's completely wasted space. We have a fish tank and a decorative table. I would love to use that area as my main work area since it's well lit. But the bf doesn't want it there. cry I'm going to keep harassing him because I absolutely agree that a workspace is essential.

I really want this work table from Pottery Barn- it would be perfect for spreading out with sketchbooks and jewelry stuff and it would fit in the area I mentioned (and it's pretty and would keep my stuff under control)-

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-- Edited by kenzie at 12:20, 2008-07-20

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thanks!  My desk is one of my best buys to date - I walked into west elm to see a lovely 75% off sign sitting on this beauty - I paid 74.75 for a $299 desk.  It's a floor model but there were just some very tiny marks near the feet (which I would do on my own soon enough anyway)
I don't know why it was on sale - it's still a current model that they are selling now! 

Anyway, that area sounds perfect for your workspace - I wonder why your bf doesn't want you to use it?  Anyway, once you explain to him your NEED for a workspace, maybe he'll get it.  I don't know if there's more to the story, but seems pretty selfish for him not to, especially if you guys aren't really using it right now.

That desk looks perfect for an arty/ craftsy person!

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Hermione wrote:

thanks!  My desk is one of my best buys to date - I walked into west elm to see a lovely 75% off sign sitting on this beauty - I paid 74.75 for a $299 desk.  It's a floor model but there were just some very tiny marks near the feet (which I would do on my own soon enough anyway)
I don't know why it was on sale - it's still a current model that they are selling now! 

Anyway, that area sounds perfect for your workspace - I wonder why your bf doesn't want you to use it?  Anyway, once you explain to him your NEED for a workspace, maybe he'll get it.  I don't know if there's more to the story, but seems pretty selfish for him not to, especially if you guys aren't really using it right now.

That desk looks perfect for an arty/ craftsy person!



Nope, there's not more to the story. He doesn't want my stuff "cluttering up" the main living floor. He wants me to work downstairs in our extra bedroom/closet/storage room. It's just an awful, little, dark space and not conducive to creativity at all. And the table I posted wouldn't fit there anyway, nor would we be able to get it down the spiral steps.

But that table is so pretty and it would look nice in our apartment. But the issue is I need a well lit space in order to see colors correctly and also for my mini photo studio/light box (I usually prefer natural light).

Here's a pic of the space. Totally unused, right? That table would look so nice! Excuse the dirty fish tank- somethings wrong with the balance in it and we're trying to get it fixed. Oh, and those wall hangings? They aren't mine.

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ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We just had another fight a few minutes ago because I'm working and he came upstairs and said, "Okay, you're done. Stop it. We're unloading the dishwasher now." WTF????

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Uh - wow. You have every right to be annoyed. First of all, if your job requires a well-lit space, then it requires a well-lit space. What is he, your overbearing father or something? And then, "that's it, you're done?" wow wow wow. Sorry, but this seems indicative of a pretty big problem on his part.

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oh man kenzie, that sucks. I can't do much but reiterate what everyone else said - you need your own work space. Not that we have to tell you that of course, but it is insane that your BF can't see it and it is selfish that he wants to keep that aquarium, chair, and small table setup instead of something actually useful and good for you! I think it's hard for him to see home as a place of work, because it's not to him. So he doesn't understand that you have to build boundaries in your life at home and he doesn't.

You could get some big bright red shirt that says "I'm working!" and tell him that if you're wearing it, assume you are "at the office" and unavailable for housework problems right now. I know it's childish, but I'd be tempted to do it anyway giggle.gif

You have a lot on your plate and he's not really required to agree with your separation of work and home, but he is required to go along with it and let you do that.

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oh man kenzie, that sucks. I can't do much but reiterate what everyone else said - you need your own work space. Not that we have to tell you that of course, but it is insane that your BF can't see it and it is selfish that he wants to keep that aquarium, chair, and small table setup instead of something actually useful and good for you! I think it's hard for him to see home as a place of work, because it's not to him. So he doesn't understand that you have to build boundaries in your life at home and he doesn't.

You could get some big bright red shirt that says "I'm working!" and tell him that if you're wearing it, assume you are "at the office" and unavailable for housework problems right now. I know it's childish, but I'd be tempted to do it anyway giggle.gif

You have a lot on your plate and he's not really required to agree with your separation of work and home, but he is required to go along with it and let you do that.



I think you're right about not being able to see home as a workplace. I love the "I'm working" t-shirt. I might have to make one. smile

He finally broke down and is letting me set up the space I photographed as a studio. Now I just have to get everything together.

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DH and I fight about this all the time.  He is great at cleaning while he goes, but he isn't actually home that often.  I am admittedly not a natural at cleaning as I go, I need to give myself reminders so I don't get sidetracked.  It's hard.  But I get very irritated that DH expects me to prioritize cleaning the same way he does, it's really annoying as a fully capable adult to be told when to clean up by a significant other.

My best suggestion is to create a schedule so that instead of interrupting you during your off-limits work time, you can have it already planned, for example, that the dishwasher will be run every night before bed...emptied every morning, whatever it is.  That way, he can only "legally" nag you at that designated time, not just when he notices it and decides it's time to clean.

flylady.net is a great resource.



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I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who deals with this. I like the idea of a schedule. Although, I'm not much for schedules otherwise, it might be necessary in this case. I'm so tired of the nagging. It makes me feel like a little kid.

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You might also try putting up room dividers/screens between your new work space and the living room. My bf works from home and has a hard time not working in non-work hours (he's a workaholic), so he's getting room dividers to block off the space when he's not using it. You guys could do that or you could even block off the space when you are using it for a little privacy.

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Wow, if he's going to be like that, you should put your workspace where ever you want.

I mean seriously, if you're working, the dishwasher can wait, or he can do it and just suck it up.


I deal with the same kind of problem with my BF. I pretty much do ALL the house work, and he doesn't seem to have a problem with leaving his crap around after I JUST spent the entire day cleaning up the place. Seriously, my house doesn't stay clean for more than a day. It drives me crazy. But when he was in grad school doing homework at all hours of the night, not once did I EVER say you need to do the dishes. I understand that he was busy and the least I could do is make dinner or do the dishes, even if I did work all day. I think your bf is being unreasonable.

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One good this is that he's not a total pig and does manage to clean up after himself around the house (picks up his clothes, books, etc) and doesn't expect me to all that. But, he seriously reminds me of Danny Tanner (from Full House), chasing me  around with a dustbuster. I'm not even that bad! I just have other priorities other than getting one little spoon out of the sink or unloading the dishwasher. If I'm working, I'm working and I'll get to the housework eventually. He thinks it needs to be done immediately. At least he cooks me dinner a lot. But yeah, he is being unreasonable about the working at home situation. I'm ready to tear my hair out.




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kenzie wrote:

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We just had another fight a few minutes ago because I'm working and he came upstairs and said, "Okay, you're done. Stop it. We're unloading the dishwasher now." WTF????



Oh my god. If my husband did that to me...let's just say he would not do it again if he wanted to stay married to me.


This is disrespectful to you personally and professionally. If he doesn't realize that, wow. Woe is him.



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Have you sat down and had a talk with him about this?

I live with my boyfriend too and he is so messy! Plus, he is a pack rat. While I am not clean freak, I like the place to be presentable and organized. I had big problems with him when we first moved in together in regards to me doing everything as far as housework goes. I had to tell him repeatedly to step up to the plate. I finally got so annoyed that I just stopped doing some of the chores until he got the hint. Things are much better now and he does help alot more. However, I would prefer he be more organized but I have learned to reach a compromise.

Good luck!

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Suasoria wrote:

 

kenzie wrote:

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We just had another fight a few minutes ago because I'm working and he came upstairs and said, "Okay, you're done. Stop it. We're unloading the dishwasher now." WTF????



Oh my god. If my husband did that to me...let's just say he would not do it again if he wanted to stay married to me.


This is disrespectful to you personally and professionally. If he doesn't realize that, wow. Woe is him.

 



Totally agree. That is a extremly disrespectful thing to say, and not how I would ever want to be talked too.

 



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