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Obama Wins 3 Primaries, Leads Delegates

Teresa · Kate Spade

yay!!! go obama, go!!

wicked · Coach

erin · Chanel

wicked wrote:

lol, me too!

halleybird · Hermes

March 4 will be a very important day for him!

relrel · Marc Jacobs

I wish I could like Obama, I really do. I just don't know how comfortable I am with someone who has been in a State Senate for 8 years and as a junior Senator for only 2. I like his views on many many things, I just don't honestly know whether or not he would flourish as a President...or at least not yet. I try to picture both HRC and Obama sitting down and talking to some Middle Eastern offical (like from Iran or Lebanon or whatever) and I'm trying to picture how both would handle the situation. I can only envision HRC telling them to sit down, shut the hell up and start behaving like grown-ups but in a very non-pushy way. Just in a strong, powerful type way. Obama, on the other hand, I just can't see him in that role. He'd yammer about how we need change and that would be it. (And yes, I'm quite well aware that HRC's seat is a Junior as well and that she was elected in 2000 originally)

Part of my feels slightly pissy about the Democratic Party running two such amazing candidates at the same time. I hate to imagine the shit-storm at the Convention if neither of them can amass enough delegates by then. I just sorta feel like it's such wasted wasted effort.

I'm actually really struggling with what to do with my primary vote. I like both quite equally on issues but I just feel that HRC would be better at as a president...for now. Help!

boobaby · Kate Spade

relrel wrote:

I wish I could like Obama, I really do. I just don't know how comfortable I am with someone who has been in a State Senate for 8 years and as a junior Senator for only 2. I like his views on many many things, I just don't honestly know whether or not he would flourish as a President...or at least not yet. I try to picture both HRC and Obama sitting down and talking to some Middle Eastern offical (like from Iran or Lebanon or whatever) and I'm trying to picture how both would handle the situation. I can only envision HRC telling them to sit down, shut the hell up and start behaving like grown-ups but in a very non-pushy way. Just in a strong, powerful type way. Obama, on the other hand, I just can't see him in that role. He'd yammer about how we need change and that would be it. (And yes, I'm quite well aware that HRC's seat is a Junior as well and that she was elected in 2000 originally)

Part of my feels slightly pissy about the Democratic Party running two such amazing candidates at the same time. I hate to imagine the shit-storm at the Convention if neither of them can amass enough delegates by then. I just sorta feel like it's such wasted wasted effort.

I'm actually really struggling with what to do with my primary vote. I like both quite equally on issues but I just feel that HRC would be better at as a president...for now. Help!

Honestly, having grown up deep in the heart of red state land during the Clinton administration, I can't imagine she would be able to beat McCain. I have seen first hand just how anti-Clinton much of this country is. Quite frankly, I don't even like her. I mean, I would vote for her over McCain, but she strikes me as a politician whose only goal is staying in power, such as voting for the war in Iraq and then saying she was misled by the administration. Give me a break! I believe the Democrats at the time who voted for the war for the most part were thinking about political survival and not the good of our nation.

Also, I feel Barack would be more likely to inspire young people to get out and vote. I know traditionally young people don't decide elections and I may be tainted by the fact that I live in Chicago, but I see how eloquent and inspiring he is and I have visions of people who normally don't vote getting excited to make a change. I think having a president with his experiences and a true, first hand understanding of different cultures would be a tremendous asset.

-- Edited by boobaby at 20:12, 2008-02-13

ILoveChoo · Hermes

relrel wrote:

I wish I could like Obama, I really do. I just don't know how comfortable I am with someone who has been in a State Senate for 8 years and as a junior Senator for only 2. I like his views on many many things, I just don't honestly know whether or not he would flourish as a President...or at least not yet.

same here.

I wish I could understand some of the excitement, but I really don't get it. I don't find him any more inspiring than anyone else, and I think his idealism might get in the way of him being able to produce results. Its great to want to completely overhaul the world, but you have to do it in baby steps....

relrel · Marc Jacobs

ILoveChoo wrote:

relrel wrote:

I wish I could like Obama, I really do. I just don't know how comfortable I am with someone who has been in a State Senate for 8 years and as a junior Senator for only 2. I like his views on many many things, I just don't honestly know whether or not he would flourish as a President...or at least not yet.

same here.

I wish I could understand some of the excitement, but I really don't get it. I don't find him any more inspiring than anyone else, and I think his idealism might get in the way of him being able to produce results. Its great to want to completely overhaul the world, but you have to do it in baby steps....

That's it, exactly. He has some brilliant ideas and I feel he does truly want to "help" America but I'm really unsure whether or not he actually can. As much as I hate the fact, the President of the United States needs to be a politician and able to work all sides of an issue. I think HRC can do that because she's, well...a little sneaky. But Obama, I feel, just doesn't have sneaky in him.

blubirde · Chanel

relrel wrote:

I wish I could like Obama, I really do. I just don't know how comfortable I am with someone who has been in a State Senate for 8 years and as a junior Senator for only 2. I like his views on many many things, I just don't honestly know whether or not he would flourish as a President...or at least not yet. I try to picture both HRC and Obama sitting down and talking to some Middle Eastern offical (like from Iran or Lebanon or whatever) and I'm trying to picture how both would handle the situation. I can only envision HRC telling them to sit down, shut the hell up and start behaving like grown-ups but in a very non-pushy way. Just in a strong, powerful type way. Obama, on the other hand, I just can't see him in that role. He'd yammer about how we need change and that would be it. (And yes, I'm quite well aware that HRC's seat is a Junior as well and that she was elected in 2000 originally)

Part of my feels slightly pissy about the Democratic Party running two such amazing candidates at the same time. I hate to imagine the shit-storm at the Convention if neither of them can amass enough delegates by then. I just sorta feel like it's such wasted wasted effort.

I'm actually really struggling with what to do with my primary vote. I like both quite equally on issues but I just feel that HRC would be better at as a president...for now. Help!

I don't know if it helps or not but over the course of US history, the best presidents have been the ones with the least experience as senators, congresspeople, etc. There's this great article out there about this subject. I'll see if I can find it. NYTimes maybe? I can't remember...

I don't think the DNC can do very much about who runs for president. At least not with candidates who actually have a shot of winning. It is an embarassment of riches, isn't it? I like both HRC and Obama but I've heard Obama speak irl and he's amazing. I'm one of the many crazies who gets inspired by him, and I love that. I love finally choosing a politician based on positive feelings/choices rather than negative ones (who can beat Bush, etc.).

I'll happily vote for either one in the general but when March 2 roles around, Obama's my man. I hope he doesn't disappoint me.

halleybird · Hermes

blubirde wrote:

relrel wrote:

I wish I could like Obama, I really do. I just don't know how comfortable I am with someone who has been in a State Senate for 8 years and as a junior Senator for only 2. I like his views on many many things, I just don't honestly know whether or not he would flourish as a President...or at least not yet. I try to picture both HRC and Obama sitting down and talking to some Middle Eastern offical (like from Iran or Lebanon or whatever) and I'm trying to picture how both would handle the situation. I can only envision HRC telling them to sit down, shut the hell up and start behaving like grown-ups but in a very non-pushy way. Just in a strong, powerful type way. Obama, on the other hand, I just can't see him in that role. He'd yammer about how we need change and that would be it. (And yes, I'm quite well aware that HRC's seat is a Junior as well and that she was elected in 2000 originally)

Part of my feels slightly pissy about the Democratic Party running two such amazing candidates at the same time. I hate to imagine the shit-storm at the Convention if neither of them can amass enough delegates by then. I just sorta feel like it's such wasted wasted effort.

I'm actually really struggling with what to do with my primary vote. I like both quite equally on issues but I just feel that HRC would be better at as a president...for now. Help!

I don't know if it helps or not but over the course of US history, the best presidents have been the ones with the least experience as senators, congresspeople, etc. There's this great article out there about this subject. I'll see if I can find it. NYTimes maybe? I can't remember...

I don't think the DNC can do very much about who runs for president. At least not with candidates who actually have a shot of winning. It is an embarassment of riches, isn't it? I like both HRC and Obama but I've heard Obama speak irl and he's amazing. I'm one of the many crazies who gets inspired by him, and I love that. I love finally choosing a politician based on positive feelings/choices rather than negative ones (who can beat Bush, etc.).

I'll happily vote for either one in the general but when March 2 roles around, Obama's my man. I hope he doesn't disappoint me.

Obama has as much experience as Lincoln!

I am not sure if this is the article you're talking about, blubirde, but it's interesting: http://www.denverpost.com/perspective/ci_7937865

blubirde · Chanel

halleybird wrote:

blubirde wrote:

relrel wrote:

I wish I could like Obama, I really do. I just don't know how comfortable I am with someone who has been in a State Senate for 8 years and as a junior Senator for only 2. I like his views on many many things, I just don't honestly know whether or not he would flourish as a President...or at least not yet. I try to picture both HRC and Obama sitting down and talking to some Middle Eastern offical (like from Iran or Lebanon or whatever) and I'm trying to picture how both would handle the situation. I can only envision HRC telling them to sit down, shut the hell up and start behaving like grown-ups but in a very non-pushy way. Just in a strong, powerful type way. Obama, on the other hand, I just can't see him in that role. He'd yammer about how we need change and that would be it. (And yes, I'm quite well aware that HRC's seat is a Junior as well and that she was elected in 2000 originally)

Part of my feels slightly pissy about the Democratic Party running two such amazing candidates at the same time. I hate to imagine the shit-storm at the Convention if neither of them can amass enough delegates by then. I just sorta feel like it's such wasted wasted effort.

I'm actually really struggling with what to do with my primary vote. I like both quite equally on issues but I just feel that HRC would be better at as a president...for now. Help!

I don't know if it helps or not but over the course of US history, the best presidents have been the ones with the least experience as senators, congresspeople, etc. There's this great article out there about this subject. I'll see if I can find it. NYTimes maybe? I can't remember...

I don't think the DNC can do very much about who runs for president. At least not with candidates who actually have a shot of winning. It is an embarassment of riches, isn't it? I like both HRC and Obama but I've heard Obama speak irl and he's amazing. I'm one of the many crazies who gets inspired by him, and I love that. I love finally choosing a politician based on positive feelings/choices rather than negative ones (who can beat Bush, etc.).

I'll happily vote for either one in the general but when March 2 roles around, Obama's my man. I hope he doesn't disappoint me.

Obama has as much experience as Lincoln!

I am not sure if this is the article you're talking about, blubirde, but it's interesting: http://www.denverpost.com/perspective/ci_7937865

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/opinion/20kristof.html?_r=1&scp=3&sq=experienced+presidents&st=nyt&oref=slogin

It's actually this one but it's the same gist.

member · Hermes

Go Obama go!! I'm so excited and crossing my fingers he makes it. I find HRC about as inspiring as toe lint. bleh

relrel · Marc Jacobs

shopchicago33 wrote:

I find HRC about as inspiring as toe lint.

Not to call you out in particular, SC33 but this is the general reason why I don't like Obama. Sure, I find him way more inspiring than HRC but for me, the job about president isn't about who's more inspiring or more charismatic but who can actually do the job in the way that I want it to be done. What good is inspiration if somebody can't back up his ideas and words with real change? I just don't see that out of him yet.

blubirde · Chanel

relrel wrote:

shopchicago33 wrote:

I find HRC about as inspiring as toe lint.

Not to call you out in particular, SC33 but this is the general reason why I don't like Obama. Sure, I find him way more inspiring than HRC but for me, the job about president isn't about who's more inspiring or more charismatic but who can actually do the job in the way that I want it to be done. What good is inspiration if somebody can't back up his ideas and words with real change? I just don't see that out of him yet.

Full disclosure: I like HRC. And I'll vote for her happily in the general election if she wins the nomination. BUT. I'm unsure of how the HRC supporters are so convinced of her having the ability to do more than Obama. What evidence does anyone have to support that? Her votes in the Senate? Imo, that goes against her more than it goes for her, at least for the argument of presenting change. Isn't it better to talk about change than to talk about continuing the status quo of government insiders, which is basically HRC's message? Fwiw, I think HRC has a lot more to offer than she's currently putting out there. I just don't buy the argument that she's more equipped to administer said "change" than Obama, especially since she doesn't seem to have changed anything at all in her tenure as Senator.

scarlett · Marc Jacobs

I'm voting for Obama, and here's why: first, he does inspire me and give me the feeling that he really means what he's saying. I believe him when he talks and think he's not just saying stuff that will get him elected. And two, I think he will be better than HRC at reaching across the aisle and getting things done with people in the Republican party. HRC is extremely smart, capable, and informed -- she is a very impressive and accomplished person -- but so many people hate her, she does have this way of creating paranoia and bad feelings, and I don't like that she is sneaky. She's played dirty and I am just so sick of that in our politicians.

Miss Mabel · Kenneth Cole

blubirde wrote:

relrel wrote:

shopchicago33 wrote:

I find HRC about as inspiring as toe lint.

Not to call you out in particular, SC33 but this is the general reason why I don't like Obama. Sure, I find him way more inspiring than HRC but for me, the job about president isn't about who's more inspiring or more charismatic but who can actually do the job in the way that I want it to be done. What good is inspiration if somebody can't back up his ideas and words with real change? I just don't see that out of him yet.

Full disclosure: I like HRC. And I'll vote for her happily in the general election if she wins the nomination. BUT. I'm unsure of how the HRC supporters are so convinced of her having the ability to do more than Obama. What evidence does anyone have to support that? Her votes in the Senate? Imo, that goes against her more than it goes for her, at least for the argument of presenting change. Isn't it better to talk about change than to talk about continuing the status quo of government insiders, which is basically HRC's message? Fwiw, I think HRC has a lot more to offer than she's currently putting out there. I just don't buy the argument that she's more equipped to administer said "change" than Obama, especially since she doesn't seem to have changed anything at all in her tenure as Senator.

This thread is great. I think it really gets to the heart of why people are choosing either Clinton or Obama.

For me, it's about intelligence, preparation, and the ability to handle the pressure. When I look at HRC, I see a woman who has taken natural talents (amazing intelligence, a great memory, an analytical mind, leadership skills) and dedicated herself to making the most of them in her chosen field. She has been preparing for public life, and has been a public figure, for the majority of her life. She was involved politically from the time she was in high school! And I understand that experience isn't everything, which is why I say preparation. It doesn't seem like she's waiting for things to be handed to her; she's preparing, she's working hard, and she's completely driven toward her goal. She is never at a loss to answer a question in a debate; she not only has a specific answer about how she would tackle the problem, but she understands the problem inside out and all the other problems being influenced by that problem. Obama doesn't (or at least he doesn't display that ability - at all!). Last but not least, we know how she will behave when she's attacked: she maintains her cool, she doesn't fly off the handle and make rash decisions, and she keeps on fighting.

When I look at Obama, I see someone who could be a great president under lots of circumstances: if we were mostly dealing with domestic problems, if he were humble and self-aware enough to surround himself with people who are strong where he is weak, if he were more interested in working to analyze and understand problems from the inside out. But I don't think he is any of those things yet. I think he wants quick solutions. I think he underestimates the complexity of issues (particularly foreign policy issues), and I think he has a certain self-confidence that (while it makes him very charismatic) also makes him prone to trusting his own judgment over anyone else's. I can totally understand why so many from Gen X and Gen Y (which I am part of, by the way!) like him; he kind've has that "new leader" manner. But our country isn't Google, for goodness sake.

Now, obviously, I don't know either of them personally! This is just from what I've seen, heard, and read, and I have followed this election VERY closely, because there've never been two candidates I liked as well before. I'll be okay with Obama being president, but I don't think he'll do as well as Hillary.

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Obama Wins 3 Primaries, Leads Delegates

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