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Nine West

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I am a regular poster, I'm sure you'll figure out who I am at the end of this.  I'm just going through such a hard time and not really sure of what to do with myself.

When I was little my father was abusive to both me and my older brother (B).  My parents were in the middle of a divorce/custody battle and I would often return from visitation with stories and visible scars, sometimes bleeding.  She eventually decided to leave the state, violate some laws and never return, for our safety.  She raised us as a single mother, with little help from her parents (who have since died).  B was never very good in school and at age 16 (I was 13), dropped out of high school and got a job.  As B and I got older, we contributed financially to the household.  I went off to college and B paid the rent while my mother paid all bills.

Several years later, he married his long-time girlfriend (M) and moved 30 mins away into her family's house.  They then had a baby and my mom moved across the street from him and watched their baby while they both worked.  B and I agreed that we would split her rent ($450 each) and he would eventually buy a house.  M has always had a jealous, contentious relationship with us.  She is controlling and borderline abusive to him.  She resents the money that he gives her.  The years that followed were awful for mom, as they treated her like a slave and she felt very lonely, used and unloved.  M then got pregnant again and quit working to raise both children, relieving my mom of the duty.  M is now pregnant with her third.   Mom has been helping M out a lot, coming over every day to get her kid ready for school, feeding, bathing the kids, etc.  B&M decided that they needed a bigger place to live.  They found a 4 bedroom house that has a small bedroom in the basement for my mom to live in.  His rent would be increasing from $500/month to $2400. 

On Saturday, B called me and told me he was signing a lease the following day (this was the first time he told me they were even looking at apartments) and that I would have to give at least what Im already giving.  I was shocked that he would want me to contribute to his new rent and that he would want that MUCH.  I have not been doing well financially, I was laid off three years ago, took a pay cut and all of my bills have doubled, including my rent.  I asked him how much he is charging her for rent and he got angry and refused to say that he was charging her anything.  Apparently, he had also discussed her contributing to his rent as well.  We went back and forth a bit; I told him that I have creditors calling 8x a day; after less than 2 mins discussion, he said, "Take the $450 and shove it!" and hung up on me.  Within an hour, he called my mom, told her he cancelled the deal with the realtor and that he was no longer going to find her a place to live or contribute financially.  I waited an hour or so and called him back to further discuss, as my intentions would never be to leave him high and dry.  He picked up the phone and as soon as I got one word out said, "Fuck you!"  I called back again, he said, "I dropped out of school so I could provide a house for you while you went to college and this is how you repay me?" and hung up.  I called again, he said, "How can you do this to my children you fucking selfish bitch!"  Mind you, I'm not cutting out anything that I said, he literally yelled at me while I was quietly on the other line.  The following morning, M texted me saying, "As far as I am concerned you are no longer welcome in my house nor are you allowed to see my children" then ranted on about inane things like a vacation I took 2 years ago.  She also un-friended me on facebook.  I'm not really surprised since she has major fights with at least one friend per year, cutting them off entirely, writing nasty things on facebook about them, etc.  I did not write back.

B doesnt even have a good relationship with M, has talked very seriously about divorce even as late as this summer.  I completely understand that his family is growing, that he needs more money and that he might have been shocked/insulted that I didnt want to commit to $450.  That said, it seems odd to me that he flipped out so easily, wasnt willing to talk about any alternative arrangement and called the realtor to cancel within the hour.  It all seems so irrational, so very unfair and so sad to cut your family ties over money.  Also, he seems delusional since he convinced himself that he never finished school bc of me (he was out of school for 6 years before I went to college).  Mom earns probably $300/month with her crocheting business.  She cannot apply for any public assistance because she is not a citizen nor does she have proof of any other citizenship status.  She doesnt want to apply for any status because shes afraid of the laws that she broke years ago and is convinced that she will be arrested.  She is extremely distraught over this, accidentally let it slip yesterday that she called a suicide hotline.  She is most upset that she will not be able to see her granddaughter, who she basically raised.  I live in a junior one-bedroom apartment.  I dont really have room in my apartment for her and I am sure I will get in trouble with the super but for now, I think the best I can do is move her in to my place.  I don't have any other family to turn to.  I am stunned and overwhelmed, not even sure of why I'm writing this but I guess I just needed to get it out.  



-- Edited by throwaway on Monday 8th of October 2012 11:00:33 AM

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Hermes

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I can only imagine how overwhelmed and helpless you probably feel. What a messy situation to be in the middle of. Perhaps what you have written here could be the start to a letter to your brother. It's possible he feels helpless against his wife and frightened of the financial burden not just with a home but with his wife not working and another child on the way. Perhaps if you approach him with empathy and a non-accusatory side of your story, he might soften. He just seems to be lashing out and giving up at this point.

I think moving your mom in might be the best (and possibly only) move right now. Is it possible for your mother to speak to an attorney about the predicament she's in? Short of obtaining a new identity, I cannot imagine living out the remainder of life on the lamb. I don't blame her or you for not wanting her to step up to the plate, but perhaps it's time to do so. She did what she did for the best of her kids -- perhaps she would be willing to continue to do something for the best of her kids.

Just thinking out loud. Such a tough position you're in.

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Wow. I had an issue with my own brother over the weekend, but it honestly just seems silly now after hearing how your weekend went. I'm sorry. You have every reason to be upset, confused and hurt over this.

It does sound like your brother is lashing out and you got caught in his beam. Marriage problems, the stress of a new baby and caring for an aging adult can bring out the worst in a person. But regardless of how stressful his own life is, you certainly did NOT deserve the way he treated you. The adult thing would have been to speak with you face to face and come up with a plan involving your mom. Throwing his plan on you with no heads up and no time to think about it was wrong. Calling you disrespectful names was also wrong (but let's face it, the very people who you should never call such awful things are the very people you feel OK with being awful to.)

He and his wife seem a bit over dramatic too. Cutting you and your mother out of their lives so quickly is just over the top to me. Is this normal for them or do you think something else may be going on?

I think you're right, you may have to move your mom in with you for a little while. But as soon as you get her moved in, start looking for an alternative solution too. It'll make you feel better if you are being proactive to getting your own space back eventually.

Now I'm going to say something that you may not be ready to hear, but I want you to know that it comes from a place that is firmly on your side, not your brother's. He may apologize eventually for his actions. Let him. And accept it, not just pretend too. I'm not advocating being a doormat. I saying that you may have to be the bigger person and forgive him if he asks for forgiveness. You will need help eventually with your mom as she gets older and while I don't know how close you are with your nieces, if you want a relationship with them, you will need to have one with their parents.

In the mean time, rant away here. It does make you feel better to get it out and this should be a safe place for that.

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Chanel

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You poor thing. You and your brother both have had this burden of caring for mom for so long. This fight sucks, but it's an understandable side effect of you both feeling overwhelmed, plus your relationship was/is already strained.

I'm trying to sympathize with him and it seems like he wants to improve things for his family and mom too, get them all into a better living situation - which he may not have thought would impact you *that much* since you're already spending $450 a month on mom's rent. Delusional or not, he obviously holds a grudge against you for feeling like he's carried more of the load. It's what he believes (as well as what his wife is telling him, probably his in-laws too, and who knows, maybe your mom too) and you can't really change that with facts. However they have gotten free childcare, so it's been a way better bargain for them. (I'm so glad these two dysfunctional people, who have recently considered divorce, are going to breed AGAIN.)

My mother has played the suicide threat card with me too. It's possible there was nothing accidental about that. 99% of the time I think it's manipulation and attention-seeking and codependency and etc. Yes you have a lot on your plate with all this, no doubt. But I'm with D in that mom also needs to take some responsibility and make some changes too. A legal aid group or immigration/refugee-focused nonprofit would help her figure out whether she really needs to be afraid of the consequences of breaking some laws decades ago to protect her children and herself from an abuser. She can still babysit or housesit to earn extra income in the meantime.

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Several hours later, I just want to add that I'm afraid that sounded like I'm calling your mom manipulative etc...which is sloppy language on my part. With my mom, who was married to an abusive alcoholic, manipulation is definitely a learned behavior and a survival/defense mechanism. It's just one of the ways my mom has been able to function in the world. So yes, manipulative, but rooted in that deeply traumatic and dysfunctional past, which I understand and am sympathetic toward. I've learned to tolerate it and recognize it and not be sucked in by it. (Usually.)

I hope that makes sense. I didn't want my words to add to the weight you're already carrying. xxoo.

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I have little other to add, the suggestions about other income for your mother and using an lawyer or non-profit to review her options are good ones. But, I do have a housing suggestion (oh, and yes, move her in your place in the short term).

Could she work as a live-in caregiver in someone's home? Maybe an older person who needs help or for someone who is handicapped in some capacity but could mostly live on their own? It seems like the kind of arrangement that could stay as payment under the table, and would provide her with a roof, some independance from you and your brother and some income. I don't know how you would find such work, but there could be potential there.

Good luck to you as you sort things out with your family! Keep us posted and vent all you want!

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