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Hermes

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When I was young, I used to have nightmares that I would be forgotten somewhere by my parents.  then one day, my mother jokingly drove off a few feet as I was approaching the car outside a store (she didn't know about my recurring nightmares) anyway, I went into hysterics...

I could imagine how these girls must have felt.  I can also understand how the mother probably felt.  thoughts?

Police say mom ordered daughters out, drove off

This April 20, 2009 photo provided by the White Plains Police Department shows Madlyn Prim...

By JIM FITZGERALD, AP
Wed Apr 22, 12:23 AM EDT

Usually, it's an empty threat: "If you kids don't stop fighting, I'm going to stop this car right now and leave you here!" But a mother from an upper-crust New York suburb went through with it, ordering her battling 10- and 12-year-old daughters out of her car in White Plains' business district and driving off, police said Tuesday.

Madlyn Primoff, 45, a partner in a Manhattan law firm, pleaded not guilty Monday to a charge of endangering a child. A temporary order of protection was issued, barring her from contact with the children, who were physically unharmed.

Primoff's lawyer, Vincent Briccetti, would not comment Tuesday on details of the case. But he said, "Madlyn is a great mother connected with a great family, and she is grateful for the outpouring of support from friends and family."

There wasn't much support from strangers, however. Mothers interviewed near the scene said they couldn't imagine doing what Primoff did, though some understood the urge.

Iris Gorodess, 49, of Mahopac, who has four children ranging from 10 to 19 years old, said she sympathized with Primoff's actions, right up to the point where she pulled away.

"I used to pull over and make the kids change seats. Also, I make sure the kids have their iPods and their games. And I have a minivan, so they're not up my neck all the time.

"But I can't see pulling away. That has to be too scary for the children."

White Plains police said Primoff ordered the arguing girls out of the car Sunday evening as they were driving home. She left them at Post Road and South Broadway, an area of shops and offices 3 miles from their home, then drove off, the police report said.

The report does not say whether the girls had cell phones.

Police would not say if Primoff ever returned to look for the girls, but they said, without explaining how, that the 12-year-old eventually caught up with the mother. The 10-year-old was found by a "Good Samaritan" on the street, upset and emotional about losing her mother, police said.

The girl gave police her mother's name and their address in well-to-do Scarsdale, and they asked Scarsdale police to check Primoff's $2 million house. Shortly afterward, Primoff called Scarsdale police from home to say the 10-year-old was missing, said Scarsdale Detective Lt. Bryant Clark.

He directed her to White Plains police headquarters, where she was arrested.

Dr. Richard Gersh, director of psychiatric services at the Jewish Board of Family and Children's Services in Manhattan, said Primoff's behavior was not appropriate.

"It is a traumatic situation for a child to be abandoned by a parent like that. You can imagine what emotional issues might arise," he said.



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Wow, poor little kids!

Once, my mom walked out of the pizza shop in the mall where we were all having lunch. She had taken all of us (which would have been five girls under the age of ten) out to the mall and we stopped for pizza. We must have been very bad that day and after one of us spilled our soda, she got up, told us to clean up the mess and when we were done eating to come find her in the mall. She only walked about fifteen feet away to sit on a bench outside of the pizza place and we could still see her, but we were total angels for the rest of the day.

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I used to have those nightmares too. They were awful.

I don't have any kids so I can't approach it from the mom's standpoint, but I do think that your parents are the 2 people in the world who you should never have to question their desire to be there for you. The thought that your mom would abandon you if you aren't acting the way she wants you to is just wrong.

That being said, I didn't like how the article kept referring to to the fact that the people involved were wealthy ("upper-crust New York suburb" "2 million dollar home", etc) It's as if she should be expected to be a better parent just because she has money.

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I don't know how I feel about this. Honestly, it sounds like things my parents did when I was a kid. I mean, if they dropped me off 3 miles from my house because I was fighting with my brothers, we would have understood that the punishment was that we had to walk those 3 miles to get home and that we had to get along while doing it - not that I was actually being abandoned. I assume the kids knew how to get home from there.

I don't know what the place was like where she dropped them off (like if it's a busy city, or whatever) but 3 miles is not too far away to be from home when you're 10 and 12, IMO, especially if they're together. I guess it also depends on the sensitivity of the children involved.

And if the mother was in the wrong, I definitely don't think she should be charged with child endangerment, that seems way to severe to me. But like I said, I guess it depends on where she dropped them off - if she left them in the slums of Harlem or something like that, then yes, maybe it would have been dangerous. But it sounds like it was just shops or a stripmall or something like that?

Of course, I say this having never been a mom myself, I'm just going by what I would have thought/felt as a child in this situation.


-- Edited by Kelly on Wednesday 22nd of April 2009 11:00:52 AM

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Kelly wrote:

I don't know how I feel about this. Honestly, it sounds like things my parents did when I was a kid. I mean, if they dropped me off 3 miles from my house because I was fighting with my brothers, we would have understood that the punishment was that we had to walk those 3 miles to get home and that we had to get along while doing it - not that I was actually being abandoned. I assume the kids knew how to get home from there.


I don't know what the place was like where she dropped them off (like if it's a busy city, or whatever) but 3 miles is not too far away to be from home when you're 10 and 12, IMO, especially if they're together. I guess it also depends on the sensitivity of the children involved.

And if the mother was in the wrong, I definitely don't think she should be charged with child endangerment, that seems way to severe to me. But like I said, I guess it depends on where she dropped them off - if she left them in the slums of Harlem or something like that, then yes, maybe it would have been dangerous. But it sounds like it was just shops or a stripmall or something like that?

Of course, I say this having never been a mom myself, I'm just going by what I would have thought/felt as a child in this situation.


-- Edited by Kelly on Wednesday 22nd of April 2009 11:00:52 AM

 



I agree w/ Kelly on this. 

My Mom actually did this once!  My sister and I were being real brats and she left us at the post office, I believe.  It was no big deal, we knew we'd pissed her off and we walked home. 

I know time has passed and things are different now, but when I was 12 I was biking and walking all over the town we lived in and deemed responsible enough to babysit other kids.  The thing that bothers me most about the story is that the 12 year old left the 10 year old behind.  I would never leave my little sister.

This makes me feel old.  I guess 12 year old now are much less capable that I was at 12.  Or the world is a bit more dangerous.

Or maybe it is just a good thing that I don't plan to have kids!=)

 



-- Edited by luckylily on Wednesday 22nd of April 2009 11:10:55 AM

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Terrible...

But I know a crazy mom, also an attorney coincidentally, who did this for real! She drove her kids (aged somewhere between 8-13) from her home in OK to West TX where their dad lived. She basically told her kids "bye, I'll never see you again!" They went into hysterics, and she left them with their dad. That dad immediately hired an attorney and filed abandonment and filed for full custody...which he won.



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I agree with Kelly, and I think it's ridiculous that this mother was arrested for doing this. Our society has taken this kind of stuff too far. Kids need more discipline these days - my boyfriend is a teacher, and it is riciculous the kinds of things kids are allowed to do and get away with these days by their parents and by school administrators.

If my mother had done this (and she probably did similar things, though I can't bring any to mind), my siblings and I would have understood we were not being abandoned, but that we were in deep sh*t, and we would have found our own way home without becoming hysterical and thinking we were abandoned.

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I personally think kids a bit too coddled nowdays too, but if you don't give your kids the necessary skills to deal with a situation like this, they can cause real harm to themselves. My guess is that these kids have never had to walk home from somewhere (suburban kids today don't really walk places in my experience.) They probably have been driven everywhere by their parents so they would have no idea how to get home. It's not like the kids had a straight line to their house (just walk down one street until they got home.) These kids probably had no idea how to get home from where they were.

What if the wrong type of person found these girls first? Or offered them a ride? Scared kids make bad choices. You can see from the article they didn't even stay together.

It's good to make your kids learn a lesson, but couldn't grounding them when they got home served the same purpose?

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Boots wrote:


What if the wrong type of person found these girls first? Or offered them a ride? Scared kids make bad choices. You can see from the article they didn't even stay together.



 I just want to say, and I know that most of you probably don't share my experience and I wouldn't expect you to see it from this perspective...but it's much more serious than a discipline method that is being criminalized.

I am someone who was assaulted (and thank God, not permanently kidnapped) by a stranger when I was a child, it's not only scared kids who make bad choices, I was taught like everyone else, not to talk to strangers. But when you are alone and an adult comes up and says it's okay, most kids will go along with it. Especially less assertive and agreeable "good kid" types. I also don't think it's appropriate to say that this is some sort of sign of the times and that kids today are coddled, even if in other circumstances the generation may be less tough than previous generations, the importance of protecting children and supervision is never to be underestimated. I was born in the mid-70's, my neighborhood was lower middle class and white and unremarkable. And even though I was closely watched 99% of the time, someone still got me in the few minutes that my dad stepped inside the house once while he was working on his car outside. And these poor girls were abandoned by their mother on the street, far from home!

Child predators are everywhere, strip malls included, and they have been around forever. Anyone who was ever kicked out of a car by their mother is LUCKY they didn't get picked up by a predator, period, because it only takes ONCE to completely change your life. Plus even if a child resists, a 10 and 12 yr old are still small enough to be taken by force. We don't hear about these cases too often, they aren't in the news, because the kids usually end up just being sexually assaulted, not kidnapped or missing for long periods of time or murdered, then the kid is dropped back off somewhere, and either doesn't tell his parent (especially if it is a boy, out of the humiliation) what happened or he comes home to a parent who doesn't notice he was gone anyway. Very, very typical target is kids who have to walk home from school. I have read interviews from child predators who claimed they got with dozens of kids every week. How many of those cases do you think get reported?

I absolutely agree with the arrest of this mother. I don't believe she should have her custodial rights threatened, but the abandonment cannot be tolerated, the risk she put her children in is just too great.



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I read this earlier today and I was appalled. I caan't even say more than that because it upsets me so much.

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Blink- I certainly didn't mean to blame these children or any children of assault when I used the word "coddled." I'm extremely sorry if it came off this way. My issue was only with the mother of these particular children.

What I meant was that years ago kids not as "parented" as they usually are today. Often you played outside for the entire day in your neighborhood with little adult supervision. A mile bike trip by yourself to a store was not considered out of the ordinary when I was growing up in the 70's. Today, I can't imagine my friends kids being allowed to walk a few blocks to school or to a friends house on their own. Let alone being ordered out of a car and made to find their way home.

Thank you for sharing your terrible experience and reminding us all what dangerous situations were out there and still are.


-- Edited by Boots on Thursday 23rd of April 2009 11:06:06 AM

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